GAME THREAD ASTROS/DODGERS World Series

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  1. fsudog21

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    Don't think it cheapens their accomplishment, but why expose something you might be able to exploit in the future?
     
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    The players did not come up big in big moments.
    But Dave set them up to fail with his decision making.
    I really think the Dodgers are mulling firing him.
     
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    Everyone knew. The Dodgers knew, Darvish knew.
    That is not the point, you guys are focusing on a non issue.
    The point is that the Dodgers attempted to fix the problem and fixed some of his tells but the pressure of the big time caused Darvish to slip and show one of his tells.
     
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    i don't believe that to be the case
    darvish was tipping pitches when he got here
    and eduardo perez (espn) was able to detect giveaways just from watching
    i just think beltran is a clueless douche
     
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    i boxed when i was younger
    the best backhanded compliment i always got was i had a great chin -- which translates to you have shitty defensive skills and get hit a lot
    was using the "punched in mouth" term metaphorically, which you obviously got
    but getting punched in the nose is much more painful/damaging (eyes well up, clouding your vision)
    but you're 100% right about the life experience(s)
     
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    agreed roberts should have pulled him
    if not after the first, certainly after he gave up the double to mccann
    gonna disagree that true aces can power through
    anyone stands a significantly better chance if they know what's coming
    major league hitters that can hit even more so
    add that it's the best offense in baseball, and they're going to do some damage
    and it's not just putting the ball in play...
    as eduardo perez/espn pointed out, gurriel and mccann both had 10+ pitch at bats -- darvish couldn't put them away because they knew what was coming
    another stat... darvish had 14 k's in his two postseason starts coming into the ws
    in his two ws starts, zero
    agree on stranding runners
    that said, psychologically it's a lot easier to rally back from a 2-0 deficit than 5-0
    roberts cost us game 7 as much as the hitters
     
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    Kershaw reflects on WS loss: “Maybe one of these days I won’t fail”
    by Bryan McWilliam | The Score — 18 hours ago

    Clayton Kershaw is arguably the greatest pitcher on the planet, but after losing Game 7 of the World Series to the Houston Astros on Wednesday, the Los Angeles Dodgers ace feels like a failure.

    "Maybe one of these days I won’t fail, we won’t fail, and we’ll win one of these things," Kershaw explained to reporters, including Josh Peter of USA Today. "… There’s only one team that can succeed. There’s only one team that wins the last game, so that’s tough.

    "I think once the dust settles and we go home, we can realize that we had a pretty amazing season and we finished in second place, which nobody cares about or remembers."

    The Dodgers won more regular-season games than any other team while securing a fifth consecutive division title, but they couldn't walk out of the big dance hoisting The Commissioner's Trophy. The loss was an obvious disappointment to Kershaw who pitched four spotless innings of relief after starter Yu Darvish struggled.

    "It's too hard to think about what the Astros are getting to do right now," Kershaw told J.P Hoornstra of the Orange County Register postgame. "It's too hard to think about all that."

    With the season officially over, the 29-year-old Kershaw - signed through 2021 - plans to hang out with teammates and remember the remarkable season they had and hopes to make it happen once again soon.

    "This month felt like 27 years," he explained. "You can ask my wife too. I think it took 10 years off her life. It’s just every game, every pitch, it’s just so intense ...

    "It’s hard. You go through this much effort to win that many games against this many good teams and it’s, I mean, I hope to get to this point again."
     
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    that's why beltran is a self-serving douche
    he's likely retiring, so what does he care about future ab's?
    i say cheapens because some will view that they didn't win fairly
    i disagree because sign stealing etc has always been part of baseball, and you take whatever advantages present themselves
    and i put something else on darvish/barnes/roberts/honeycutt...
    if you suspect sign stealing/pitch tipping there is a remedy -- knock somebody on their ass
    guys will be a lot more reluctant to dig in if they fear a pitch -- tipped or not -- coming at their head
    and who better for darvish to have drilled than gurriel?
     
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    agree, agree and agree!
     
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    how can you tell? :poke:
     
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    Moving forward though the team needs to take the next step. The organization needs to take the next step.
    Houston did a direct tank job to reload with these studs. The Dodgers did a soft reboot and have had good results.
    The Dodgers are at a tier below the Astros.
    The Yankees are in a similar position. So they fired their manager and will probably spend money to bring in big FA.
    The Dodgers need to do the same thing but beat them to those FA and to the best potential manager available.
    The Angels may probably finally let go of Mike. Who knows what he would be like as a manager in Dodger Blue again.
    Although I dont think the nerds would want a guy like Mike as manager because he has a history of not playing ball with the GM's in Anaheim.
     
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    despite my complaints, i like roberts
    he managed well through the nlcs but panicked and micro/over-managed in the ws
    nerds arent going to go after marquee players via trade/free agency unless it's cost effective
    their #1 goal is to avoid the luxury tax -- it is a business after all
    so you can forget about the arriettas, stantons and harpers -- it's just not going to happen, nor should it
    they have a winning formula which has gotten better every year
    i mean, all this doom and gloom (and to be fair, i've been part of it) when we were one or two breaks away from being world champions
    could have easily won games 2 and/or 5, and then we're not even talking about a game 7
    that is the difference
     
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    It's hardly cheating. It's taking advantage of a weakness.

    Agree on sign stealing. Easy remedy.
     
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    All of a sudden I realize, his right hand, every time he’s going to throw the fastball, puts it in and it never moves because he already has the grip. But every time he’s going to throw the slider, and you see a little bit of movement. That’s all you need.
     
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    Yeah, I saw some YouTube videos. He would change his grip in the glove for breaking balls but not fastballs.
     
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    Houston is following the same plan as we are. Except with two exceptions.
    They cheat.
    They cheat by tanking, having a little league park, stealing signs, hitting batters, and going after the big money players other teams dont want. The nerds got out nerded on this one. They saw the pricetag on Verlander and balked. Houstons nerds did not like the pricetag ethier, but they found value in the fact that most teams were turning away from Verlander because of the salary. So they said forget the salary implications... what would be the best thing for our chances to win the world series right now and for the next few years?
    That made going after Verlander a good bet.
    Underdogs gotta cheat.
    Houston won because they are better cheaters.
    At least they arent roiding.
     
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    our opening day payroll was $242MM
    houston's; $124MM
    night and day
    the nerds had to pay $31.8MM in luxury taxes for being over the limit
    astros were roughly $45MM under the limit and are still $17MM under even after acquiring verlander
    apples and oranges, not to mention detroit was asking for verdugo and alvarez
     
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    Yeah but that is the biggest reason they won the WS.
     
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    how?
    he gave up two bombs in game 2, which we should have won
    and was saddled for the loss in game 6
     
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    :smh:
     
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