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If the Dodgers could acquire one player at the deadline, who would you prefer?

  1. Machado

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  2. Front line starter (degrom, thor, et al)

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    ColoradoKidWitGame DSP Legend Administrator

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    They're willing to take money over the life of the contract, but they also want immediate relief this season, somewhere in excess of $40M from what I have read. By dealing Stanton and having to take back one of those big contracts, it removes any ability to do so without trading other pieces, which it is rumored to be something they do not want to do.
    Also of the prospects you named, only Alvarez is comparable to the names being thrown around right now from the Cards and Giants. Giving up a Buehler, Verdugo or Urias just to close the deal this minute would be foolish unless it truly convinces the Marlins to eat another $20M+ and then you are talking about simply trading Verdugo in that instance. There is no reason to trade star ceiling prospects when the Giants have offered cumulative dog shit and the better offer from the Cards is in a place Stanton is almost guaranteed to say no to. SP depth in this organization has the chance to go from a massive strength to a somewhat weakness with Kershaw, Ryu, McCarthy and Kazmir all being free agents at the end of this season and both Rich Hill and Alex Wood FA's the year after that. I realize that this year's class has a dead money vibe about it, but Ryu and McCarthy each had runs last season where they were incredibly valuable, so jettisoning a bunch of MLB ready pitching prospects could be very detrimental to the org, very quickly.
     
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    what a fucken idiot
    you had your time, cheated, lied, and got caught
    fuck off already
    your poor kid already has an uphill battle thanks to you
    get the fuck out of the way and let him try to succeed
    selfish, egomaniacal douche

    Rafael Palmeiro, 53, says 'no doubt' he can make it back to MLB
    ESPN news services — 11 minutes ago
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    Rafael Palmeiro, who's 53 and last played in 2005, says he is thinking about trying to make a comeback.

    Palmeiro told The Athletic "there's no doubt in my mind I can do it."

    A four-time All-Star first baseman, Palmeiro played for the Chicago Cubs, Texas Rangers and Baltimore Orioles over a 20-year career, racking up over 500 home runs and 3,000 hits -- one of only five major leaguers to achieve that feat.

    He said he still has something to prove, however. Palmeiro's career ended in 2005, after he was suspended in August for testing positive for steroids. He was the first major-league baseball player ever suspended for steroids.

    Just months earlier, Palmeiro had testified at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and said, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."

    Palmeiro, who retired quietly in September 2005 after the 10-game suspension, has always maintained that he never used steroids.

    "Maybe 12 years later, if I can come back and prove I don't need anything as an older player with an older body, then people might think, OK, maybe he didn't do anything intentionally," Palmeiro said.

    The oldest player regularly playing position player in Major League Baseball was Julio Franco, who was 49 when he retired in 2007.

    "I want to prove to myself I can do it on a high level," Palmeiro said, "then walk away feeling good about the whole body of work." Baltimore general manager Dan Duquette did not entirely dismiss the notion of giving Palmeiro a shot.

    "It would be an interesting story," Duquette said. "It's like tying your shoes ... If you can hit, then you can hit."

    Palmeiro's son Preston is currently a member of the Orioles organization. The 22-year-old first baseman hit .253 with 13 home runs and 77 RBIs while playing for the team's Class-A affiliate Delmarva last season.
     
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    So this is pretty funny and a reason of many to follow the "Baseball's Best Fans" twitter account. Maybe a mod can bring up these 4 photos, but it's about the Cardinals pursuit of Giancarlo and if true, it would fit with the Giants seemingly gaining confidence that Stanton will be going to SF. This is told from the Dark Helmet perspective on acquaintances.
    https://twitter.com/BestFansStLouis/status/938542083022950402
     
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    what 4 photos?
     
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    When you look at that post on Twitter, it has 4 images to scroll through. The guys story and linking it directly to the Cardinals FO
     
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    It's basically a no-trade if those player's contracts need to be renegotiated to be deferred, but they wouldn't necessarily need to be deferred. That definitely makes a difference though, paying an entire salary of $17 million in 2018 opposed to deferring it over 10 years are two very different things. Interesting thought that it may be in a players best interest to renegotiate a deferred contract (even if deferred only 2-3 years) in order to "play" in Florida instead of California.

    AGon has actual no-trade rights, so he would be in the driver seat of any trade involving him. But like you suggest, he could accept a trade if only to avoid state taxes on his final paycheck.

    What SF is offering Miami in a deal is moot if Stanton doesn't accept a trade there. So we aren't necessarily competing with SF, and if we are competing with them it sounds like we will lose.
     
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    3 hrs ago...
    • San Francisco general manager Bobby Evans (speaking on KNBR 680) said the Giants and Miami Marlins have agreed on the framework of a deal that would send Stanton and the $295 million sticker on his carry-on bag to The Thing On King, which means that both teams have put the public onus on Stanton if this deal doesn't happen. Which I suspect Stanton is fine with carrying. There is no indication, though, that he either is or isn't interested in anything other than a landing spot with the Los Angeles Dodgers, who are better and reside closer to his ancestral home in Panorama City. Until he decides to come off his geographical preference, or the Dodgers announce they aren't interested in him at the Marlins' adjusted price tag, or he just decides he'd rather stay in Miami and try again next year, that's where the issue resides.
    exactly what i've been saying...
    ~pats self on back:duck:
     
    irish, Dec 6, 2017
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    Because its mine, duh!
    Of course my fiction is more valid than yours.
    And your fiction better be more valid than mine... to you.
    I get to tell you that you are wrong.
    You get to tell me that I am wrong.
    That is the only way there is peace in the world.
     
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    They were saying it because they had the most bonus pool money which made them the odds on favorite in many eyes and they would have been if Ohtani was a money hungry type. The reaction after the snubbing was the clear indication to me that they expected to have him. Mariners are my pick as well and to me the Rangers are the last choice but it could go 180 lol. IF he wants endorsements I can't believe that he would go there. Hopefully it'll happen soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Egomaniac. :D Miami has a better chance than the Gnats which to me is under reported.
     
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    That "adjusted price tag" can be adjusted with prospects......MGT offers Alvarez they will eat more of the contract. The real question is how greedy does MGT want to be.
     
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    agreed
    and i think it applies to both teams
    if miami wants to unload that $295MM they need to be more realistic about their return
    and if the nerds want stanton they need to do the same
    but i don't blame either of them for starting out with somewhat unrealistic requests...
    negotiating 101: start high
    but if stanton will truly veto a trade anywhere but la, then then nerds truly possess all the leverage
     
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    Im glad you have come around.
    Here is the thing where we differ.
    You should have been on this side from the start.
    Even if the Dodgers have to absorb the entire contract AND give up a top prospect like Verdugo.

    That money and Verdugo will mean nothing in the big scheme of things a few years down the line.
     
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    you're wrong :duck:
     
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    weird
    i'm only seeing the tweets and a couple gifs people posted
    i'll need to call in a specialist for this... "paging @BlueMouse!"
     
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    If negotiating 101 is start high then it means the other side will start with a lowball offer.
    Negotiating 102 is that if the other dude lowballs you from the get go... walk the fuck away from the deal.
     
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    um, no
    giving up top prospects and absorbing the entire contract makes zero sense
    even the giants and cardinals proposals don't include top prospects and not absorbing all the payroll
     
    irish, Dec 6, 2017
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    If you click on the words, which are cut off and seem like gibberish, the full post is there and makes sense....aside form some typos. If you click on the arrows (>) they will click you over to a pic of the guys profile, then his buddy that is the in finance for the dealership where this guy works.......he is just trying to prove his statement has merit because he works with guys who have connections to the Cards Front office.

    Really it is all hearsay till something official is posted.
     
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    Jim Bowden
    Do not under estimate the #Dodgers in regards to Giancarlo Stanton. If they decide they want him…they can beat the Giants deal and with creativity still stay below luxury tax. If Stanton holds out he’ll get his first choice which is LaLa land. Decision should be done by Sun.

    same ol
     
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    you're exactly right about 102, although you don't walk away
    the other side is merely doing the same thing as you -- starting with their best case scenario
    and eventually you meet somewhere in between
    no one ever takes the first deal
     
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