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  1. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    puig your friend...

    A fan favorite during his time in Los Angeles, Puig’s stint with the Dodgers consisted of many highs and lows, both on-the-field and off-the-field. He evidently began to sour on manager Dave Roberts last season, revealing that he wasn’t a fan of his platooning method. Along with that, Puig often disregarded the Dodgers’ positioning strategies directed to defenders on game day. According to Andy McCullough of the L.A. Times, the 28-year-old went as far as ripping up the positioning card given to him in front of outfield coach George Lombard:

    He often ignored the positioning card distributed to Dodgers defenders before games; according to six people familiar with the situation, he on several occasions ripped up the card in front of outfield coach George Lombard and left the pieces on the ground.

    “There were always things like that,” manager Dave Roberts said one day this spring. “Taking plays off.”

    With analytics being a focal point of the Dodgers, shifts and defensive positioning have been vital to their success on defense in recent seasons. That Puig didn’t buy into the concept was certainly problematic, and it could have been another factor in the club’s decision to trade him.​
     
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    This is the same thing that has always existed in baseball with every generation of black players.
    Analytics is just a new name for the same concept. I hate to play the card but history does not lie.
    When we in the future look back at today's reality of home grown black and imported latino black ballplayers the negative effect is obvious.
    It is designed to put chains on the wild horse and a bit in his mouth so you can whip him into the shape you want the horse to be so you can ride him.
    When baseball makes these changes to its unwritten rules the changes effect is to minimize the type of baseball played in the streets and in the jungles.

    The analyst jackasses alway get someone like Dave to do the dirty work.
    That's why Puig had an issue with Dave and loved older white coaches who recognize what baseball is doing right now.
    Because everytime they do this kind of thing the eventual downfall happens to the popularity of the game the league has to lower mounds or shorten infields or juice balls or juice testicles to make the game fun again instead of just allowing the players to have fun which is what would make the game fun again.
    I say this as a person who was obsessed with analytics since grade school.
    You guys probably don't remember but for I while people mocked me daily for wanting Hee Seop Choi to get a shot as the opening day 1B.
    I learned that analytics is nice for when you got nothing else but you want to move past it quickly before it robs you of your ability to think with your gut and your head and you end up thinking with your scared puckered up analytics.
     
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    Ignoring unwritten etiquette doesnt matter to me.

    Ignoring scouting reports and data that helps the team succeed is unacceptable.

    While I have said repeatedly that Puig was unfairly characterized as a 1 year wonder, he was never good enough to justify that behavior.
     
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    Also, Roberts gave Puig multiple chances to face lefties when he was on a hot streak and it did not work. He sucked against them and deserved to be platooned. No personal accountability. Just blame the manager.

    What a fkag.

    Glad Puig, Wood, and Kemp are all gone.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    analytics aren't the problem
    puig is the the problem
    baseball is a team game... always has been, always will be
    every thing you do on the field has a potential consequence for your entire team
    it's not puig's job to think he knows better than the scouts, coaches and analysts
    and fwiw, it wasn't just puig's defensive positioning, it was his arrogance/pig-headedness/stupidity
    how many times did he throw to the wrong base, miss cutoff men, make a baserunning blunder?
    that's why he's no longer a dodger, and why he's now [slashing a robust .203/.251/.361] on a last place team
    adiós puig (racist)
     
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    my point was not about puig
    it is any players job to play the way he knows how to play
    players accept a lot of changes they are asked to make
    some things they do not want to change
    would you ban Cerrano from praying to Jobuu when his bat can hit fastballs but is afraid of the curveball?
    because that is what im talking about
    the overreliance on analytics will take the fun out of baseball and turn it into the houston rockets crying foul.
     
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    Yeah it’s one thing to be upset about certain procedural things but defensive positioning? As an outfielder? Not like he was a 2B they were asking to move to the other side of the diamond. They were asking him to move to the left and right a few steps lol.
     
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    Agree, Dodgers gave him multiple years to face lefties but he just did bad. They make it seem like Dodgers PREFERRED to have to sit Puig against lefties when in reality they were desperate to see if they could succeed against them (remember the only reason they called Puig back up in 17 was desperation against LHP). Sometimes the team puts players into platoons too quickly but also, at some point you have to bench guys against lefties if they’re gonna be auto outs
     
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    it's a team game
    every player should want to get better -- to become the best player they could, to help their team
    puig was one of those who didn't
    thought he...
    ... was good enough
    ... knew better than everyone else
    ... could show up late whenever it suited him
    ... was bigger than the team
    he was wrong, and now he's one of those "what could have been" stories

    analytics won't ruin baseball
    players who think they're bigger than the game will
     
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    Barnes framing is getting Buehler some close pitches early on
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    he and martin are a lot better framers than given credit for
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    wtf seager?
     
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    Following on game day

    Confident Walker imploding?
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    thanks corey
     
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    seager threw away a dp ball
     
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    Typical. Dude is a mess
     
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    again its not about puig
    if i know that i can only get better by playing the game a certain way and when they force me to play another way my performance suffers... thats a problem because its a team game but its a business where your boss and his companies priorities are important but your own personal priorities should always be more important.

    remember Bellinger playing CF?
    that kills his concentration at the plate, its too much to process or too much too soon or whatever.
    that is why they needed to move him to 1B where he mashed.
    and now that they moved him to RF he is mashing again.
    play Kike in 2B and he hits well, play him in CF and while he is good enough defensively his offense plummets.
    it becomes too much for him
    analytics are great when applied to the formula
    not when it is the formula the players have to conform to.
    Kenley and Kershaw are trying to get back to form in their own way.
    the analytics wants them to play more conservatively and effectively start playing with a crutch like a star in decline
    but if they do that they will never get their dominance back
    they want to still dominate and want to try and do it through willpower
    essentially they want to get their mind/swag/ego right so their body will follow
    analytics does not factor for that
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    and it's not the player's call it's management's
    players might think they know best, but in most cases they don't
    kenley and kershaw's fall from dominance is the biproduct of lost velocity
    and even an old-schooler like orel called out kenley for his ego
     
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    Tremendous turd of a game
     
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    Wish he could frame Kenley for murder.
     
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