DODGERS 2020 MINOR LEAGUE/PROSPECTS THREAD

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    Dodgers also came away with 10 of their top 150. They did not say where they were ranked, but I lined them up according to where they were in our Top 10. Nobody outside the top 10 makes the list, but there are a couple names that could find their way on it with decent years.
     
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    From a BA piece for Top 100 prospects that have something to prove in 2020

    Is Keibert Ruiz Nick Madrigal?

    Like Madrigal, Ruiz plays a valuable defensive position and is nearly impossible to strike out. Both players hit a lot of singles and not a lot of doubles and home runs. Ruiz could end up being a useful MLB catcher even if he’s just a singles hitter, but he’ll be a lot better big leaguer if he drives the ball more as he matures.


    If you are wondering who Nick Madrigal is, he is the best bat on ball prospect in baseball. He almost literally does not strike out(21 times in 679 PA's!!!!). He pairs that with plus speed which helps his high contact/no pop bat play up. Developing more power in his swing, being more selective and maintaining those contact skills would make for a special hitter.
     
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    From the BA Top 100, 1 former Dodgers prospect is on the list and that is Oneil Cruz at 57. He has massive power, but is having issues with K's and may not stick at SS which would greatly hurt his value. Last year there were 3 former players represented, but Yordan Alvarez has graduated*punches wall* and Yusniel Diaz has fallen off after a mediocre, injury plagued season that saw him max out at AA for the 3rd straight year.
     
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    Dodgers had the most top position prospects with 6 from MLB pipeline. Next highest was 4. The Dodgers also were the only team with 5 or more representatives in the top BA Top 100 without a losing season in any of the least 4 years. The teams of 5 or more also had consistently sold off top producers to restock their farm. While Puig was fun, he was not that. Impressive accomplishment for a team that has been routinely drafting at the bottom of the draft for over 7 seasons now. BA said in the chat that the Dodgers are set up along with the Braves to be the most dominant forces for the front half of the new decade.
     
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    One other note on this. In that same 4 season time frame, the Dodgers have traded 8 former or current Top 100 prospects.

    Jose De Leon (Top 25 at time of trade)
    Willie Calhoun
    Yordan Alvarez
    Jose Peraza
    Frankie Montas
    Yusneil Diaz
    Oneil Cruz
    Zach Lee

    Grant Holmes MAY have appeared on that list at one time, but not 100% sure. Also, not counting guys that graduated prospect status before trade.
     
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    appears for the most part they knew which ones were expendable
     
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    Prospects are always lottery tickets, which is why I’ve made the bullets hitting the target analogy a few times in the past about our system. I look at that list and think that teams should be more willing to trade with us as those top prospects we traded have mostly been contributors, some at a high level and others are still rising. The only real busts have been Lee(he was busted by the time we traded him) and Peraza. Alvarez looks like a legit star, Montas has developed into a #2-3 starter, Calhoun finally started to hit when given an extended look, De Leon has been getting some interestingly positive reviews from his rehab, Cruz has been a steadily rising prospect and while Diaz’s value has dipped, he’s still projected to be a solid MLB contributor. This doesn’t even take into account the number of guys further down in our system that have blown up or been traded and emerged as solid contributors. Nobody else in baseball can say that, which is what is so infuriating when teams say “give us your stars or fuck you!”. The Dodgers have an over 50% success rate(should rise in the years ahead) of their traded top prospects becoming MLB contributors and a 25% for them becoming star level. That’s pretty fucking good.
     
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    BA has Luis Rodriguez #2 in their 16 int'l prospects with a power/speed combo. You can tell that BA is trying to catch up to Pipeline that has released a number of different top prospect categories in recent years. Surpassing BA in notoriety in the process.

    Luis Rodriguez, OF, Dodgers: At 6-foot-2, 175 pounds, Rodriguez is an advanced hitter with a clean swing and at least average raw power that he's shown in games and should become a plus tool. He's an above-average runner with a high baseball IQ that should help him steal bases as well.
     
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    Andy Pages going to Angels in a pending deal that still have players unnamed.

    heard he is rising stud. I wonder what Angel is coming back.
     
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    Sounds like Pages slotted just outside our Top 20 for a lot of folks that have mentioned the deal. He is someone with superstar upside from the sounds of it, but has some holes, too and he is still a good way from making the big leagues. He has the tools, but the common theme for him was that it was going to be a slow climb to the bigs. He is going to be in the Angels Top 10 according to BA.
     
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    In the event that the Dodgers are somehow able to swing a trade for Graterol here is where he would slot into our system top lists and MLB

    BP: #3, #33 in Top 101
    BA: #3, #60 in Top 100
    MLBPL: #6, #83 in Top 100
    Bowden: #4, #48 in Top 50
    Sickels: #4, #45 in Top 105, B+ Grade
    Fantrax, #4, #83 in to Top 250

    Everyone says the same thing. Fastball/Slider combo out of pen were filthy. Bowden likes his curve more than his change, rating it as average, but his change is rated below average. There is definitely some effort, but it is not a max effort delivery. Less movement than the insane stuff we saw coming out of May when he was in the pen, but still a lot of it. It will be interesting to see if the club can pull this off or not. If they can continue to add to the top end and not lose much, that would be insane.
     
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    Top prospect lists have been updated accordingly
     
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    With the completion of the deal, MLB Pipeline has updated their Dodgers Top 30 with Andy Pages leaping in and up to #12 in the org.
     
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    What a shit show of a trade that would have been...
     
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    It made no fucking sense...
     
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    The Dodgers have been ranked #3 by Baseball America, one behind the Padres and the Rays leading the way. Man, Wander Franco could be something as everyone is gushing over him. I have said this a couple of times over the last couple years, but there is a solid chance that the Dodgers system sees a large drop next season as the teams top 3, and for 4 of their top 5 prospects are expected to graduate this season. Only Alex Verdugo and Will Smith graduated last year.
     
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    Fangraphs dropped their top 120. Some notes from them
    • They said that Lux is probably the best hitter coming up outside of Wander Franco right now and has his hit tool as a 60 now with a 70 future, plus 60 present power and 70 future. Those are huge numbers and would make him an elite all around hitter as they think he can catch up to elite velo while still recognizing good breaking pitches. The only negative is his throwing which is considered below average and they think he is destined for the OF (which makes trading Jeter Downs a bit more scary) because of it. His bat will play anywhere, but if the yips comeback, they will need to move him out of the IF.
    • They like May, but don't see him as an ace or #2 like the others do. They think he gives up too much contact and he doesn't have a great variant with his offspeed stuff. They think he needs to really develop a change to take a step in the right direction, but so far the results are lacking. The way some things were scrapped in his big league debut makes them think the club does not like the quality of his secondaries that we rarely saw after his call up. They graded them well, but they think there are variance issues at play. We will see how he improves, but those are some interesting notes that I have not seen until now.
    • Gray is projected as a #4, but with a decent chance to be much more as he is WAY advanced for someone that is this early into a conversion. He does a great job of commanding his pitches, especially his fastball up in the zone. His slider flashes +, but he has not quite synced it up to be consistent, though it is a solid offering. The change is average, but MLB'ers would destroy it in it's current state as he slows his arm down noticeably. This review would make it hard to see him making the big league roster at any point this season.
    • Interesting take on Gonsolin as they say he has one of the best change ups in the minors and then proceed to give it just a 55 grade. They talk about deception with his arm angle that somehow brings out more movement than usual for it. They mention that the velo was down in the 91-96 range. That is a lot of range and unless he knows how to use it and this is his own doing, that could be a bit of a red flag. Command is below average, which is normal for a late bloomer, but he will need to do more with it if he is going to be anything more than a back of the rotation starter. They see his most likely outcome in the pen, but he does have the stuff to be a quality starter if he can tighten some things up with even a chance to go as far as being a star front of the rotation starter(though that is a SMALL chance).
    • FG thinks Ruiz is a lot better than he is getting credit for, but they mentioned that reviews around the game are becoming more and more unfavorable about him. They say the same thing we've been reading in that he makes a lot of contact, but it is bad contact since he has such great hand-eye coordination that he hits a lot of bad balls. They thought he looked very good behind the plate when they have seen him, but once again, their scouts were not positive about him. He needs to be more selective and start making more powerful contact as this paired with decent defensive skills will make him a very good catcher.
    • They dropped Graterol after everything about his medicals and the feeling that he will no longer be in the rotation. They think he has the stuff to be a frontline starter, but now see him destined for the pen. He was showing a feel for a change before mostly scrapping it after getting the call to the bigs(threw it 3 times, one resulted in a massive bomb). His slider/FB combo make for a high leverage reliever, but he is going to have to correct a release point issue that I have seen mentioned already one other time today. His FB/SL combo are good enough that he could be a starter, but that may not be the best use for him unless he gets that change working as well. The other piece I was reading about him today said that the Dodgers are one of the best clubs at fixing release point issues and if they can get him right, he may have even more upside in the tank. Fingers crossed.
     
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    Some other notes from the Fangraphs list as well as the chat.
    • They are mixed on Jeter Downs, but have him ranked highly. This marked the second time that I saw that the feeling is that he is maxed out build-wise and that is worrisome as he could struggle with good velo. The feeling is that he will hit enough to start, but he will not be elite. He also seems to be destined for 2B or 3B and if Lux's throwing issues are real, plus there is a feeling that Hoese has a higher ceiling, so he could have been the odd man out in short order.
    • They now have Yusniel Diaz as a bench type player and missed the list entirely, ouch.
    • They have Jo Adell with a 40 arm... that is baaaad. So he is destined for LF that is kinda taken right now in that org.
    • They really like former Dodgers prospect Oneil Cruz. They say he has massive upside with two 80 grade tools, but a huge floor too. Still can't believe a prospect like that only netted us Tony fucking Watson. Longenhagen(One of their main contributors) loves him, but scouts don't seem as high.
    • Andy Pages and Michael Busch were on their list for guys potentially to rise this season due to their pop. He says that Busch was a top 10 pick last year in the eyes of some and the feeling is that he will hit in the big leagues, both for power and contact. The big question mark is if he can play even passable D at 2B and what he saw of him last year, makes him think that Busch can't.
    • Cartaya could see a rise from the catchers division, but there are questions about his build as he thinks he could be too big for the position. Does admit that he has the highest ceiling of any catcher right now.
     
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    MLB.com also had a mini chat today and one thing mentioned was the Dodgers strong quartet of int'l guys that will be interesting to watch. Cartaya and Rodriguez will be in the org's top 10, while Pages will be close behind. Alex De Jesus will be in the early 20's, there are some people around the game that REALLY like him, Callis here says that he has the potential to be a regular at 3B. He gives very high marks for Cartaya and Rodriguez on both sides of the ball.
     
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    If there is one thing I can’t fault the FO for is their ability to find and develop talent. Such a huge difference from the McCourt days.
     
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