Postseason NEWS/RUMORS/INJURIES Thread

I don't think you have to assume anything, it's a given. When he recorded his 180-th inning his option vested (it was a club option, not his) so he would be a fool to walk away from 10 million. I think you're over estimating the money to the arb eligible guys though. Most of them won't clear 1 million. But still I think you're on the right track, namely how do they lower payroll, stay competitive, while getting younger and better. When I see all the posts about going after starting pitchers and outfielders who are going to command 8 digit contracts I have to wonder WTF are people thinking? The writing is on the wall folks, read it. Kasten has said repeatedly that payroll will come down in the next several years and he just went out and got the guy who has the reputation for doing just that. Friedman is all about spending less and getting more for it. Friedman's challenge is to be able to parlay some big contracts into viable players/prospects without having to eat so much money that he won't have any wiggle room should he be in a position to sign/trade for a necessary piece. Emphasis on necessary, because he's not going to be able to chase every big name that becomes available. He's going to have to be selective almost to the point of acting like a small budget team again. Want to sign Stanton? That means he has to find a way to drop $20million a year...without putting it in the outgoing player's pocket. Want that top of the line starter? Better figure out how to get another team to pay our contracts on players we trade them.

I'm not saying the Dodgers won't spend. If they can get return on current contracts, then they probably will. If there is an absolute must need, they probably will. If they don't find themselves in either of those situations...they probably won't. I fully expect going into the 2017 season that payroll will be below $180 mill. To give you an idea of what kind of task that is, payroll committed for 2017 today stands at $171,468,000.00 That's why I say unless they find a way to make those big contracts pay dividends for the future (i.e., return cheaper and better alternatives) that there won't be a lot of needless spending going on.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

 

Yeah, you know I'm old. Lazy... you don't have a clue.

 

I'm not yet involved in all this trade Pederson/Stanton stuff, so my tuppence is a Johnny-come-lately offering....but doesn't any trade for a player with Stanton's resume and potential (not available at all anyway, IMO, for quite a while), have to be involved with guys who actually have proven some measure of ML ability?
WTF has Pederson done? He hasn't shown jack shit...oh yeah, he gets a walk now and then...but is there something else? SMALL SAMPLE SIZE of course, as we all say....but no guarantee he's going to hit at all.
And how about some catchers with an over .200 BA? Doesn't matter? Do we need something at that spot, you think?
And say it all does work out, and we get all the monster OF and IFs that we covet...we won the NLW with what we have now pretty handily, I think... so if we did it again, one more time, who is going to pitch in the post season and win? Greinke? What, all complete games? Who is going to get us to Kenley in the 9th and pitch the 7th and 8th? And who is going to make the good moves? Mattingly now is all changed up in the way he does things now we have Freidman? he's not going to leave CK in after 6 great innings on short rest when he has a fresh Haren in the BP to use?
I guess I totally have a different idea of what the team needs to get beyond the wall we can't get over year after year.
With the contracts that Ned handed out, and vampiric inept performers like Wilson, we aren't saving any kind of money next year, IMO. We need big time replacements for those guys, and they're gonna cost.
Maybe Stanton can pitch.

 

Food for thought on trading, Kemp, Urias, Petersen, Seeger, Lee, Dee etc. Sorta hard to proclaim you are going to build your team via your farm system and start off by trading away the best players who have cone up, done well or are your top prospects.

 

My thought is this, Jansen got $4.3M in 2014, he's gonna get close to $10M. AJ (assuming he is retained) got $3.55M, he'll get a raise of some sort, even if it's just the low 4's. Gordon is going into his 1st year, for comparisons sake, Barney got $2.3M last year, no reason to think Dee can't get that. Barney (if they qualify him), will get a little raise from the aforementioned $2.3M Finally, Ginger Jesus, $1M last year, he'll get a nice little raise. The others, Butt-era and Elbert, probably won't break $1M.

 

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yea, i get what you're saying, but Kemp's turning 31 next year and he has 5yrs left on his deal..there may not be a better time to deal him. i'm not saying that they should..just saying that i could understand if they did. back when Kemp was sucking earlier in the season, a lot of fans felt that our front office should strike while the iron was hot and sell high on Kemp when he regained some value. i could also understand if Kasten and Friedman didn't have any real love for Kemp..he's not their guy and they didn't raise him on their farm..Kemp's a McCourt/Colletti guy.

also gotta remember that a prospect, as highly as we think of them, they're still prospects and they haven't proven anything in the show yet. so if say a 22yr old Joc Pederson puts the Dodgers in the driver's seat to land a 24yr old Mike Stanton..farm guy or not..waive goodbye to Joc. you've gotta make deals that make sense and giving a 24yr old Stanton a 8yr deal before he peaks is the kind of thing that most GMs would do if they have the resources.

there are no separate moves with any long term/high paid guys, or issues with the payroll that should impact their willingness to attain a young cornerstone piece such as Stanton because it's just the right move to make in terms of team structure. he's obviously proven himself to big among the very best handful of players in all of baseball..attain him first and figure out the rest later. if you can successfully attach a Carl Crawford and his remaining 3yrs to your " Puig/Lee/others offer " for Stanton, great. if you can't..oh well. still gotta complete the transaction and being that Puig's big league proven, 23yrs old, all-star caliber, has a valuable contract, is arguably the most exciting player in baseball, a Miami guy and would be a winning return for Stanton - the Dodgers really shouldn't have to offer a combination of their top 3 prospects along with Puig. maybe 1 ( Pederson), but certainly not any 2.

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/98860748/scouts-honor-homegrown-talent-key-to-giants-success
A look at the principals in the Giants' victory that sealed their National League Championship Series triumph demonstrates how the franchise's farm system has become its backbone.
Left-hander Madison Bumgarner, Draft class of 2007, completed the body of work that earned him NLCS Most Valuable Player honors by pitching eight resolute innings against the St. Louis Cardinals. Second baseman Joe Panik, class of 2011, contributed an essential two-run homer. And Travis Ishikawa, who spent his first 10 seasons in the Giants' system before rejoining the organization this summer, sealed San Francisco's 6-3 decision in Thursday's Game 5 with a three-run, ninth-inning homer.
The Giants typically are disregarded by experts and publications that evaluate scouting, drafting and player development. Yet general manager Brian Sabean and his baseball-operations staff must be doing something right, and to reach any other conclusion is impossible. The Giants reached the World Series for the third time in five years with a postseason roster that includes 11 players raised in their farm system, as well as two others (Ishikawa and right-hander Ryan Vogelsong) who were originally drafted by the Giants.
Moreover, six Giants -- Bumgarner, third baseman Pablo Sandoval, catcher Buster Posey and right-handers Tim Lincecum, Sergio Romo and Matt Cain (who's sidelined following elbow surgery) -- performed on all three clubs and won World Series rings in 2010 and '12.

This is how the team that some seem to hate thinks they did it and others do also.

 

well, the Dodgers are obviously in the beginning stages of hopefully having a farm system pay off like that to an extent. but if the Dodgers are to wait for 10-15 guys from their own farm to come together and win like the Giants, as fans we might as well go to sleep for 10 years, wake up and see where we're at then. truth is, there is no singular approach to winning. we've seen it done multiple ways over the last 20years. Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling weren't farm guys in Arizona when they rolled over the Yankees..nor was Luis Gonzalez, Matt Williams, Jay Bell, Finley, Reggie Sanders, and Mark Grace. they got it done too. Dodgers only need be true to themselves..let Friedman and Kasten mold this franchise into a perennial power in their own unique way.

 

And sensitive.

Sarcasm knucklehead

 

Don't fuck with me, it's that time of the month.

 

:crybaby:

 

Kemp/Crawford for Baez/Strop/Vizcaino

i might pull the trigger on that one so long as the Cubs eat all the money. they have to money to do so. Baez still needs work and to mature both at the plate and defensively, but he has all the raw tools at SS and the power factor..he can also get some work studying 3B under Uribe just in case though. also, go ahead and get Seager started @ 3B in the minors next year, then bring him up and make shortstop an open competition between Baez and Seager. the loser takes 3B in 2016. Strop's a power arm for the pen with MLB/playoff experience. Vizcaino has filthy stuff and projects as a closer or set up man..might be a year away or he might not..a really good stash at the least. then get to the market and sign Markakis for the top of the lineup.

 

I don't think either team would make that trade

 

I'm not even high on Baez. Guy strikes out a ton, doesn't walk, and tries to homer every swing.

 

I wonder if the answer could simply lie in the fact that they make better draft picks and recognize talent more often than we do? And when they do get up to the show, the coaching they have is just superior? Better than ours?
There's gotta be some valid reason we watch them in October so much. And why they simply win it all more than anyone else does now...

 

So why isn't Guerrero playing short again if they're happy with Bones at 2B and Seager the future at 3B?

And where is our future 1B? Where is Preston?

 

Arrubawhatever should be trade bait.

 

Arru should be super utility. Corey is coming likely much sooner than expected perhaps even 2015 to further complicate things.