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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by rube, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. Fall Winslow

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    You've lost your gotdamn mind.
    LAL had better be willing to wait until Kawhi turns FA after next season to chase him before they give up a cost controlled stud like Ingram
     
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    Kawhi is the best two way player in the game when healthy, bar none. Still only 26, get a long term commitment from him and it is a no brainer. Ingram has a crapload of potential, but come on. Kawhi would more than likely attract Lebron and Paul George, too.
     
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    Nah, it's not a no brainier when Kawhi's free agency is just a hop, skip and a jump away..when Ingram is a cost controlled, budding star. Ingram shouldn't be D'angelo'd..dumped in order to shed another shitty contract. Dumping D'angelo made sense on multiple fronts..weak work ethic, trust issues on and off the court, slow, low potential as a defender at both guard spots, etc. He was just better off possibly being the best player on a bad team or for a team without real title aspirations. D'angelo is gonna fuck around be the next John Salmons or some shit like that. Michael Redd level is maybe his ceiling..which is good for a Milwaukee or a Brooklyn franchise, but underwhelming for a LAL that's chasing titles.

    Only way they should trade Ingram is if they're targeting some big name that isn't on the verge of free agency in the near future..like AD, and even then, AD is injury prone, so while I may be in the minority on this one - to hell with that idea too. Lillard is a buy that makes a decent amount of sense if you're pushing Ingram out..Lillard, a guy who can't move until 2021. And if LeBron says " trade Ingram and I'm in "..get out. Move LeBron to the side and look to pair Kawhi and George instead. LeBron shouldn't be swinging that big a stick anymore, though, not when his defense has been terribly inconsistent as he's gotten into these later years. Not that LeBron would actually push to trade Ingram..I'm sure LeBron saw Ingram give Durant and the Warriors the business earlier in the season. His performance against GSW was something for LAL to hang it's hat on.

    I agree, though, that Julius/LeBron/George/Kawhi/Zo would be a great lineup..I just don't know how you give Julius the max, get a maxed out Kawhi, and still have enough room to max out both George and LeBron. The money just doesn't seem to add up. Seems the difference between what Ingram is going to make, and what Julius is likely to get early in free agency, is going to make that tough to complete. But LeBron/Kawhi/Ingram/George/Zo pretty much does the same defensively, they switch everything and LeBron matches up with Durant or Draymond @ center when GSW goes to their death lineup. Kuz as the 6th piece that can move into a few of those spots, although, his defense is obviously trash and needs a lot of work. Hart 7th, and his all around defense is solid.
     
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    The notion that the Spurs can be in a shit load of trouble with their franchise player who has free agency around the corner..and yet still come away with the Lakers' best young player, a budding star..that would be like the Dodgers trading Bellinger for Bryce Harper tomorrow or something like that. No thanks. Wait for FA..or offer a Puig/Julius level guy that's going to be looking for big money soon. Make a competitive offer and leave it at that
     
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    Do not, I repeat, do not trade away Ingram on any young talent we have to the Spurs, a team in the Western Conference and with a coach like Pop, for a Leonard that seems to be itching to leave San Antonio. Hell, don’t even think about trading away or not re-signing Randle.

    This is an exciting young team that finally plays defense, and we have a chance at getting at least 1 of the desirable FAs this year.

    Let’s slow our roll on trading any of our young players for Leonard when he will be a FA in 2019 anyway. Same year as Klay, Draymond and others to round out this team.
     
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    Somebody's going to give Julius max money and I'll be pretty surprised if it's LAL. To go from Julius being on the bench/in the dog house with a bleak future in LA, to now - him supposedly being worth max money to LA is a hell of a jump within 1 calendar season. And I like Julius, always have, but he's not a max player. Not on the strength of 1 much improved season that happened to be his contract year..ever heard of guys playing with their hair on fire in their contract years? Why did he wait until his contract year to strike out on his own, hire a trainer and commit to getting into the best shape possible? Questions he's going to have to answer for some teams..Dallas probably not one of them. Dallas will probably be offering him the max ASAP, no questions asked. They are desperate. Would certainly welcome him back to LAL, but to do so on max money would be a bitter pill. Allocation of funds matters in a cap league.

    But as far as the FO goes, they've already said they have their eyes on the 2019 FA class as well and that they won't be paying guys just to pay them in FA this year, or making trades just to make trades, that this offseason isn't make or break for them. So with Ingram being " untouchable " this year, coming off a meager rookie year last season..I don't think he goes out and has a most improved player in the NBA type of campaign this season and now all of a sudden teams can acquire Brandon Ingram. Nah, they still can't touch this..especially now that he's shown what he's really capable of.

    The FO shopped Julius hard at the deadline..if the max offers are rolling in early in FA, which they should be, I imagine LAL will try to work with Julius' agent in getting a sign and trade for something worthwhile. The fact that Julius and Paul George have the same agent is pretty nice for LAL..Magic and Pelinka can kill 2 birds with 1 call when FA opens. They can find out if George is coming and see who's showing the most interest in Julius all at once.
     
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    Lol Blazers losing both games at home
    And people can say whatever they like about Rondo, but he's a real problem for the opposition in a playoff series, have seen it time and time again
    Extremely smart player in general, but in a playoff series where he gets to study and lock in on the same team for 4-7 games in a row..man, just a disruptive force
    Last year the Celtics were dead in the 1st round before Rondo got hurt, he was denying their asses at every turn
    Once the Bulls lost Rondo to injury, Celtics cruised
    Asshole, yes.
    Big time plus player when it matters most, yes.
     
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    Utah takes Game 2 in OKC
    Uh oh
    Minnesota getting their asses handed to them
    Harden currently 1-12 from the field..Houston up 15 anyway, bad sign
     
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    Game 1, KAT: 8 points
    Game 2, KAT: 5 points
    Karl Anthony Hibbert is real.
    That Anthony Davis - Karl Anthony Towns - Kentucky big man comparison is damn done, son.
    The 2015 draft is looking weak.
    At this point, with Porzingis down, I'm thinking Devin Booker is the best from that draft class..the 13th overall pick - shades of 1996
     
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    :popcorn:

    While the Spurs trading a former MVP candidate might seem unlikely, Ailene Voisin of the Sacramento Bee is reporting that Popovich and the organization are considering doing just that:

    No one can speak for Popovich, but some of his closest confidants suspect that if the relationship remains strained and the lack of communication persists, he will pursue a blockbuster trade during the offseason and commit to a parting of the ways. Already, according to multiple reports, several teams are assembling packages that might appeal to the Spurs.
     
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    Miami just trying to goon their way past the Sixers tonight
    What Miami really needs is for Whiteside's bum ass to average more than 3 ppg
    Hope the Sixers wax these MFs
    Ben Simmons' elbow on his jumpshot is probably the worst I've seen for a player of his stature, my god..probably worst than LeBron's when he first came into the league
    Hell of a game
    Embiid is HOF good..if he can just stay healthy
     
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    Joel MF Embiid..man, it's starting to feel like Philly has what it takes to make a real run in these playoffs
    Philly ignoring all of Miami's ignorance like a veteran team
    Embiid out there kicking ass in an old Voltron helmet Lol
    OT: Hopefully, LAL is pondering going back to Villanova in the late 1st round, Donte DiVincenzo is a talent
    Lol Excellent set by Brett Brown there, Simmons flushes it home and flexes on Miami Hahaha
     
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    I don't honestly think the Lakers hold on to that pick, with the most likely scenario is they package it with Deng. #capspace.
     
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    Wouldn't be a bad idea. Don't know how likely it is that they find a trade for Deng, though, or if stretching and waiving isn't more likely. I mean, what if they think they're adding another young, cost controlled talent like Kuz/Hart with that pick? Is that worth giving up in order to trade Deng when they can still shed him without trade? Are they trading Deng in order to give Julius the max? Personally, I don't really like giving Julius the max in any scenario
     
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    ESPNLosAngeles‏Verified account@ESPNLosAngeles
    “The Lakers plan hasn’t changed. They want to get both of them." - @wojespn on Lakers going after Lebron & Paul George


    According to Sean Deveney of Sporting News, the Los Angeles Lakers may be in strong position to potentially complete a trade, as one executive believes it’s where Leonard wants to play:

    “I think they go in hard for Leonard once the season is over and once the dust settles in San Antonio,” one executive told Sporting News. “(Leonard) wants to go to LA. There probably won’t be public demands on that, but he has leverage. He is going to be a free agent (in 2019). He’s an LA guy and he can just let teams know he won’t re-sign next year with anyone but the Lakers.”







    Deveney doesn't mention that George was in the same situation as Kawhi and George obviously had to play a year out, again, in the middle of nowhere
     
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    Agree on Randle. He made enormous strides this year, but a max deal is way too much too soon.

    A little more consistency on defense and some semblance of a mid range jump shot and he'll be there.
     
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    And then another couple years of strong play on the resume.
    It took Draymond years of strong work to become a high end role playing type/defensive ace that's worth the max. He put consistency on film/his resume and earned it.
    That's basically what Julius has to do to be worth the max to a team that wants to compete for a title ASAP.
    But for a rebuilding team like the Mavs, Julius is probably worth the max right now..horses for courses
     
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    The best case for giving the max to Randle is that he only counts for 12M worth of salary when it comes to calculating how much money you have for LeBron/George.
    At 12M he is a good deal. Sure he will actually get paid like 20-24M per year and that will be his cap number going forward once the season starts.
    But before the free agents sign his cap hold is roughly half of that.
    Now if you trade Randle and Deng together alongside Zubac or that Cleveland 1st rounder you end up with your super duper team.
    Bring back Lopez with the exception and go with a weird ass lineup and killer 9 man rotaiton.

    PG: Ingram, Lonzo
    SG: George, Hart
    SF: Kawhi, LeBron
    PF: Kuzma, Frye
    C : LeBron, Lopez
     
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    I know it won’t happen, but I’d love Randle to take a haircut on his upcoming RFA. Some of the GS players took a small cut to stay and allow Curry to get his super max (Durant and Iggy).

    Randle has a chance to be a part of a historic combination of players of everything pans out.
     
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    Randle and his RFA don't matter in terms of bringing in those two players.
    His salary wont be factored in because he has a cap hold at 12M.
    That is the only factor. Unless he takes a big haircut and signs a long term deal for less than 12M per year.
    But that would be kinda ridiculous.
    The Lakers could sign him for anything over 12M and it wont affect what they can pay the other 2 max FA.
    So if Randle signs for 14M or 24M per year it wont affect the available free agent money.
    That is of course if Randle waits till the Lakers sign both max players. Which he would do if he wants to be a Laker.
    His agent should be all... sure we will wait, as long as you pay us max money too.
     

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