FEDIT POLITICS Thread

Im with you on all points but one.
The office does imbue a person with a certain extra dignity.
That dignity is one we know to respect.
But if people don't respect Trump in the first place there is no dignity to be placed upon him by the office.
Its putting lipstick on a pig.
Same goes for demanding that Trump show respect for Bush.
Trump had to be there as is required but what if he disliked Bush with a passion?
Folks were outraged that he did not feign respect.
I think it is more disrespect to pretend to fawn over someone you actually disliked.
That goes both ways and every way.
Moral of the story is that nobody deserves respect but everyone should get it anyway.
When you give your respect to some and not others you are already wrong.
And if you analyze why you give some people respect and others you dont you will start to see that their title/rank/office/station is the reason for that respect. And that is straight from the beast.
I dont respect a doctor because hes a doctor, has a shiny title, went to medical school, has lots of money.
I give him my respect freely because he's another dude living and loving just like me. Even if he has yet to earn it.
But once I give it and he starts healing me then he has earned that respect I have given him.
To many Trump has not earned their respect.
But those same people never gave him respect in the first place.
You first gotta give it before it can be earned.

 

You can probably make the same argument about how talk radio treated Obama.
And to a lesser extent how the MSM treated Bush-43.
Trying to score points by showing how resisty/rebellious/independent is nothing new.
Doesn't make it any less annoying.

 

I think people should treat the office with respect, but that has to go both ways.
Trump isn't respectful from the office, so doesn't make sense to treat him respect.

But this is what Trump wants anyway.
Your pig analogy is right on, but it's not lipstick
It's that saying about never wrestle with a pig, because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Trump always comes out on top when he drags people down to his level.
Yet people still play that game with him, I don't understand why.

 

Adolescence is when this lower behaviour springs up in humans.

 

Why not?
Who is forcing you to text?
Communication via technology is not a right that can't be taxed.
You are taxed if you send a letter in the mail by a postage stamp.
Why is a text or even an email any different?

You do have the ability to leave the state.
So do I.
This state is for the poor and the rich.
If you can't afford the taxes and the high general cost of living then you can be poor and get most basics for free.
But this is not a state for the middle class.
Taxes on everything are legal.

 

anything can be legal if they pass a cryptic (enough) statute
i’m not opposed to taxation at all... in theory
problem is everyone has their hand in the cookie jar, so tax dollars seldom go where they were intended

 

Taxes are the social contract you sign everyday when you use the empires roads.
They do not need to pass cryptic statutes for any taxes to be legal.
Taxes are legal, period. As long as there is representation.
We have it, nominally.
It is not your job to judge where/how/when tax funds are used.
You voted in people that are experts at that.
Or they brought in those experts.
You do not have a right to use roads unless the builder of the road gives you said right.
That is how we have toll roads. Toll roads are not illegal. Tolls are a usage tax.
Nothing is yours Irish. Nothing.
Even the land you own is taxed because you do not really own it.
You own a paper title of nobility that entrusts you with certain rights dependent on your proper use of the land for farming purposes.
Farming is the euphemism for tax collecting. A landowner/taxfarmer has to develop the land in order to supply the king with soldiers for his armies, tradesmen to support logistics of the army, and servants to support the tradesmen who support the soldiers.
In lieu of soldiers, you can give gold.
Which is what we give today in terms of a monetary tax.

You really should not live here if you cannot make 50k a year or are not under the poverty line or have not figured out how to live in peace with what you have.
If you have a 'regular' job that makes you between 24k and 32k you will have a hard time meeting your obligations to the empire.
Which is the point.
The empire will need rebel scum to chase, eventually.

 

wasn’t implying taxation wasn’t legal
merely said anything could essentially be passed into law
and there were always ways those in power could manipulate the rules
and i disagree, it is my job as a citizen to see how the vast amounts of monies i’ve paid over the years is put to use

 

Already get taxed on the use of phone system for voice, so it makes sense they'd try to tax it when you use it for text. Gov't just doing it's gov't thing trying to preserve revenue as voice usage declines.

But it's stupid, because if people notice the tax in their phone bill, they'll simply shift to using Whatsapp or signal or a data service based message service.

Then the state will try to tax data services...

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

 

I think it's a right. Anything you do that doesn't hurt anyone else is a right.
The State doesn't get to decide what a right is or isn't. That's the misconception so many people have.
They think the State (any government) gives them rights. Bullshit. States take rights away. One of the few legitimate purposes of a State is to protect people's rights. But that doesn't mean they come from the State.

But back to the original point, communicating via technology is a right. That doesn't mean someone has to give it to your for free. That's not what a right is either. Saying healthcare is a right doesn't mean that the State should give it to you for "free". States don't give you rights. But if you have the means to acquire communication over technology, then yeah, it's your right to use it. The State is violating your rights by adding its little ransom for you to exercise your right.

 

i disagree too, we all wish the things we wanted to be true were true but they aren't.
you believe that you may do something as a citizen to see how your taxes have been spent
you may believe that it is your job/duty/responsibility as a citizen
good luck with that
give me an example of how you could do your 'job'?