FEDIT POLITICS Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by CapnTreee, Aug 12, 2016.

  1. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    This is not a car territory, it is the old west.
    What was the old west used for back in the day?

    In Ecuador, a mid 90's Japanese economy car costs 20k to 30k.
    Ecuador has no smog, traffic, and is one of the most important reserves of natural beauty in the world.
    Only the rich can afford to drive there. The poor and the middle class take the bus.
    They are also the only country that gave the Wikileaks guy safe haven.
    Every land has different priorities.
    We are the USA our priority is exploiting our #1 natural resource.
    Job creation.
     
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    kind of a silly response
    and it used to be an Indian territory as well
    but it IS most def a car territory now and that was decided long ago
    the money never wanted anything else
     
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    All your rights are GOD given.
    The government is a restrainer, it is a break, it is there to stop you from going crazy with your rights.
    Suicide is not a right. You don't harm anyone but yourself. Sure someone has to pay the coroner I guess.
    You are right about the fallacy most people believe about state given rights.
    But an equal fallacy is to say that as long as what you are doing is not hurting anyone it is your right.
    You don't have the right to make moonshine because without adequate care you can blind yourself.
    It is not in the state's interest to take care of people who blind themselves.
    But in the event that a citizen decides in his own mind that he has the right to set himself on fire but survives said immolation who then has to pick up the pieces of that mans broken life and nurse him back to health and become his lifelong caregiver?
    The state, your daddy, that's who.
    It is not in any of our collective interests to allow people to do stupid shit just because it is 'harmless' to others.
    That is why basic Libertarianism has never and will never win the hearts and minds of people.
    There is too much of the "Am I my brother's keeper?" to it.
     
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    you keep talking about it being decided a long time ago
    I brought up the old west because you brought up things decided a long time ago
    my point is that nobody today cares what was decided long ago
    just like nobody cares about the old west
    the old west is where you throw your whores, criminals, delinquents, homeless, immigrants, etc... where you test nuclear explosions, where you dump chemicals, where you proliferate crack drugs and churn people down into slavery.

    present truth trumps past truths
    and present truth is that this is becoming more and more a giant trap
    the old west has been a snare for a long time
    not just for Europeans but Mexicans and Indians too.
    why do you think it was so easy to take over these lands?
    nobody wanted to live here, it is the end of the world.
    even the Mexicans who claim to come from up here fled south due to this land being doomed.

    i know what you mean diablo about car territory and the big money behind that and bringing water to LA so people and roads and cars can come.
    i really was not speaking to any of that
    i took your post in another direction
    that was kinda my bad but its also kinda what i do :D
     
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  5. Sauce

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    California imposes the 8th lowest state and local tax rates on median US households. Even when adjusting for California's enormous cost of living, there are still 15 other states with higher tax burdens.
     
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    Poor people already have nice cell phones.
    Maybe that's why they're still poor

    Probably just another tax that solves absolutely nothing and/or manages to make a problem worse.

    The more regulated and taxed this state has become, the worse it has gotten. Literally dead last in quality of life.

    Californians have made their bed though.
     
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    Comparing states tax burden against US median income is a weird way to compare them, since it by definition doesn't account for local factors. The right way to do it by local median income. By your own admission, when you control for cost of living, California is 35th.

    The same site ranks California 10th highest in overall tax burden.
    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494/

    USA Today also 10th highest
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...se-states-where-you-pay-most-taxes/100064034/

    If you run a business, california is 2nd worst for business tax climate.
    https://taxfoundation.org/state-business-tax-climate-index-2019/
     
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    Even if you reduce the state and local taxes to the rates of Delaware and Alaska, the adjusted tax burden of Californians would still be more than half the other states. (Not to mention the adverse effects it would have). This is simply due to the high cost of living. You pay a premium to live in California.
     
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    It is sunny most of the time. For many of us that is heaven on earth. Like living in Hawaii would be heaven to some and living in Alaska or even Seattle would be hell.
    I tell people all the time when they bitch about how high the taxes are in heaven. Heaven has expensive upkeep.
    You can go to hell or you can stay here where the roads are paved with black gold and the houses glitter with diamond dust as the golden rays of the sun bathe your living room with incandescent Fukushima radiation.
     
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    Few problems though in CA.

    1) California does not prioritize its people who already live here.
    2) Not everyone pays taxes. At least not income tax.
    3) We spend more than we have.
    4) Our 'roads, schools, blah blah' are all garbage
     
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    I'd like to know what the media means by 'poor', too, btw.
    There are people who legitimately could use some help and they get lumped in or overlooked for people who don't need it.

    With a few exceptions, sustained poverty is a product of human behavior. Just spending and spending and spending on the 'problem' doesn't make sense to me, for a number of reasons.

    Maybe I missed the point of what that article was saying.
     
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    Few problems?

    Fuck, sign me up.
    Most places are chock full of fucked up.
    Here we have a few problems.... just a few.
    The weather is so great that we have to make some shit up or else we would all get fat and lazy.

    1. Nobody does. Everyone prioritizes new voters... err I mean fresh blood. The system is fed by the blood of those who are young or immigrant or poor and don't know any better but have been worked up over some emotionally charged subject that has them voting.
    That is the demographic they all work for.

    2. So wait, you are bitching about taxes yet you wish others had to also pay the taxes?
    If you really disliked taxation you would be happy for those who can get away with living well under the means that would require them to pay taxes. Sounds like some sour grapes. Like when you see a homeless person living inside a massive refrigerator box for one of those fancy new computer fridges and the first thing you think of is how puny and unimportant your fridge is.

    3. Everyone does. The country is trillions in debt. China is the most conservative nation in terms of the people and how they save their money. But China prints money that is not backed by a thing and they do it all the time. Our financial system is based on credits and Greenspans failed worldview where the crumbs never trickled down to the floor for those without a seat at the table.

    4. So what you are saying is that you want the government to tax you more in order to improve schools, roads, etc...?
    Because if you think you are saying "hey I already paid my taxes for them to fix these things" then all I can say is lol.
     
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    Poor are the enemy.
    We have a war on drugs, war on the homeless, then war on the poor.
    If you are in war then there is an enemy. A
     
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    So our aspiration is to just be better than places that are more fucked up? I appreciate your back-and-forth. At the very least, you do honestly give me something to think about.

    1. No disagreement from me there. To me, it's a problem. Maybe I view the role of government differently.

    2. I'm the first one to say I paid no income tax from ages 17-23. If I answer this fully, it's going to become a philosophical/virtue argument that I don't have the appetite to take on. I'm sure there's plenty for you to pick at from my other responses though.

    3. There's a difference between necessities and luxuries, especially when you narrow down from federal --> state and local --> individual. The state is determining what EVERYONE (no matter how different they are) NEEDS and taxing accordingly. It's stupid.

    Food, shelter, clothing and transportation to work were my personal "4 walls" when I was poor the first 2 years of marriage. Then honoring debts. Then putting money aside to pay cash for classes to learn a trade so I could get my income up. Anything else was a luxury. Listened to a lot of Charlie Steiner for a minute there. I only hold the state to the same standard I hold myself. And that's being generous, because although my "4 walls" were needs, they were not rights.

    The state is determining everyone's needs and making them rights, essentially. "Access to telecommunications"? Really? Give me a break. If an individual came to me in the same situation the state is facing (bankruptcy), and asked for advice, I would tell them to find friends or a church, tithe, identify needs vs. luxuries, create a unique budget for every month, assign every dollar a name, and cut back! Find a roommate to split rent, and learn a skill. The fruits of that are incalculable. The government, through their actions, tell you to do whatever you want and steal from your neighbor. Just add another tax. The results speak for themselves.

    4. There needs to be a change with our culture to address the problem. Taxing for infrastructure is one thing but we need to put the responsibility of education and philanthropy back on communities and individuals. The government can't handle it. Let's solve the homeless problem by giving them free needles to shoot up. Genius, Gavin.

    Again, we made our bed. That's what it comes down to. We elect people to manage this stuff.
     
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    love it!

    I vote we storm chavez ravine and take the dodgers back by force so they can be shown on ktla!
     
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    lol schilling
    dude just cannot keep his mouth shut


    Ex-MLB star Curt Schilling rips Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in Twitter spat
    by Thomas Barrabi | Fox Business — 12 December 2018

    Curt Schilling’s financial history with the state of Rhode Island resurfaced on Tuesday after the former Boston Red Sox ace’s criticism of newly elected Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY, triggered a harsh response from Rep. David Cicilline, D-RI.

    The spat began on Monday, when Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter that it was a “double standard” that the media has closely scrutinized her ideas after previously praising Paul Ryan, who was elected to Congress at age 28. In response, Schilling said she was being scrutinized because she makes “stupid” remarks.

    “You are a college graduate and likely the most unintelligent person, man or woman, in our government,” Schilling wrote.

    While Ocasio-Cortez did not respond to Schilling’s dig, Cicilline defended the freshman congresswoman by referencing Schilling’s failed video game production company, 38 Studios. Rhode Island offered Schilling a $75 million grant in 2010 to bring his company to the state, only for the company to go bankrupt.

    “Curt, you still owe my state $75 million. Maybe worry about that before you go after [Ocasio-Cortez] again,” Cicilline wrote.

    Rhode Island sued 38 Studios and recovered some of the grant money in a settlement agreement, the Associated Press reported.

    “Don’t owe you a dime,” Schilling wrote back to Cicilline. “And the state screwed the deal because they keep electing [expletive] like you. A chip off the Lincoln Chafee block.”
     
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    He's not wrong...
    She and Schilling are both idiots
     
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    They both like to steal other people's money too.

    AOC says a lot of stupid shit, but she's not dumb. She strikes me as quite intelligent and maybe a lot crazy. A very worrisome combination.

    And no way anyone in Congress is dumber than Maxine Waters.
     
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    Idk, man...she seems pretty stupid to me. Will look more into her [no hetero]
     
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    He is more queen than she is.
     

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