DODGERS Dodgers vs. Rays - WORLD SERIES

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Which struggling Dodger has a good World Series

Poll closed Oct 20, 2020.
  1. Kershaw

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  2. Pollock

    26.7%
  3. Taylor

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  4. Dustin May

    6.7%
  1. MZA

    MZA MODERATOR Staff Member

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    I think if we’re up you throw in Julio and hope he can end it
     
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    lastatman DSP Legend Staff Member Moderator

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    Two reasons why I can't subscribe to this line of thinking.
    1. The '88 Mets and A's were better than their opponent too.
    2. Dave Roberts
     
  3. BlueMouse

    BlueMouse 2020 World Champions

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    I'm coming around to the idea of pitching Urias tomorrow if the situation is right.

    It's all about quality over quantity at this point. In 2017 Kershaw pitched Games 1, 5 and then threw 4 great innings in Game 7. I wouldn't count on him for 4 innings, but he's actually thrown less pitches this WS, and I'd say less stressful innings too. It sounds like Buehler is getting past the blister issue, so there's a good chance he can go deep into the game. So most, if not all, of a Game 7 can be covered by those 2. Add in Graterol who could easily pitch in both Game 6 & 7, since he's only thrown 14 pitches this WS, and Treinen who looks possessed right now and would probably try to pitch all the innings if asked.

    I don't see a need for Wood tomorrow, unless Gonsolin can't make it through 2 innings. May will pitch tomorrow for sure, and since it's his final outing of the year he's probably good for at least 2 innings. Gonsolin-May-Urias was the formula for Game 7 of the NLCS, why not do it again? At this point there are, at most, 18 innings left, I don't think we need Wood, Kelly, Jansen, or Floro.
     
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    MZA MODERATOR Staff Member

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    You may think we don’t need em, but Roberts will find a way
     
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  5. doyerfan

    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Problem with Urias tomorrow is it’s 2 days rest, not 3, like he was in NLCS. I do think you use him if you gotta shot to close it out. Like if it’s the 8th inning and we need 6 outs to close this fucker out, you push Urias and Blake. Just don’t force it.

    also I’m entirely unsure of how Dustin will be after yesterday. If he feels good, you definitely push him tomorrow for an inning or two.
    Reason I said Wood was because of how great he looked in game 2 and if you follow Tony with Wood, their lineup is gonna be full of lefties that you’re gonna force cash to flip out, which then helps us later with some right handed relievers
     
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    BlueMouse 2020 World Champions

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    I still don't like how Dave handled Floro and Victor in Game 1, bringing them in with almost no warning. It sounds like Dave did a similar thing in Game 4 when he told Baez he was done, and then changed his mind and sent him back out. These are things that just shouldn't happen. It's like Kenley not backing up Home in Game 4... I can live with bad plays if you are putting the effort in, but there are certain things that just shouldn't happen even if the result isn't bad.

    That said, the bullpen usage was damn perfect in Game 5. As long as Dave stays away from Kenley from here on out, it will be hard to screw up.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    that’s fair that’s fair
     
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    I’m just not convinced that starting Gonsolin is the right strategy. He’s been consistently inconsistent in his starts, often putting us in a hole early. Now you don’t have May backing him up if he gets in trouble. You burned May and Treinen yesterday, so you need someone like Kelley to go long and perhaps Gaterol.

    Why not start Urias then go with all of the above?
     
  9. VRP

    VRP DSP Legend

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    I think he’s a fine manager and have never had a huge issue with his handling of anything outside of superstar treatment of Kershaw and Kenley. That’s his Achilles heel IMO. If they were off the team he’d be much better for it.
     
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    I think the hope is that Tony will be starting a game on regular rest for the first time all playoffs, and should be better. Game 2 of NLCS he started a bit rushed cause Kershaw got hurt. Game 7 was all hands on deck and he didn’t start and game 2 of World Series was on 2 days rest

    I don’t think you use Julio on 2 days rest here at all unless, like BM said, you have a chance to close things out. Idk if we should really be thinking Julio is even available tomorrow. 2 days rest isn’t much, his NLCS relief performance was 3 days rest which is more typical. On 2 days, you maybe get an inning from Julio but chances are it’s not gonna be crisp. He might be available but I wouldn’t be counting that he’s just gonna be a fresh arm available out there

    You trust Tony can bounce back, like May did, and even if Tony is shaky, you pull him early like they did in game 2. Even with a shaky Tony they almost won game 2, so let’s see if he can be better. I like it and he was damn good this year, let’s see if he has it and if not, you move on quickly and still have your best bullets saved.
     
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    I think May backs him along with Urias. Mays been in this position all playoffs and he’s used to it. If Tony can give you three innings of solid work then we can give May and Urias the other outs
     
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    All I pray for in a game 6 or 7 is not have a situation where the choices are Jansen vs Kershaw to close it out. Like a spot where Julio/Blake/Brusdar/Victor have all been used and it’s either Kershaw or Jansen. I think we all might black out if something like that were to happen
     
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    Gonsolin's best start of the regular season was 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R against the Padres, in what was probably the biggest game of the regular season. We were coming off a loss to the Padres and only 1.5 games in first, it was a chance for the Padres to make a final push to win the division, and Gonsolin shut them down for a 3-1 win. We ran away with the division after that.

    Now, the WS stage is much bigger than that, but the Padres are also a much more difficult lineup than the Rays. Gonsolin will have an extremely short leash, but I actually think he has been under-utilized this postseason.
     
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    I honestly think Dave is giving the ball to Kenley if we’re up. Like VRP said, he LOVES Kershaw and Kenley. Hopefully they have a game plan like with Kersh and the FO told him to only use Kenley if we’re winning by 8
     
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    And again, it’s gonna be his first normal start on regular rest of the entire playoffs. He’s had 5 days to watch, rest, tune up, and be ready for this. Give us the best 4-5 innings of your life
     
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    not using Kenley yesterday was extremely obvious but still a good sign he’s hopefully not gonna force it. Similar to game 7 of NLCS: use other guys to get those outs. I don’t even want Kenley to get a “moment” to close it out if they’re up like 15 runs. Treat it like the NLCS where he was basically mop up work. Use everyone else
     
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    Kershaw is actually a good pitcher, and I think if it goes to a Game 7 there's like an 80% chance Kershaw is pitching the 9th inning. I'm more than fine with that. If I see Kenley again this postseason I will be pissed.
     
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    Muncy is hitting .412/.545/.647 this World Series, now getting good hits to go with his million walks. Corey continues to be unreal all playoffs. Turner has had his moments as has Joc. Bellinger has had some key hits and so has Smith but in game 6, we need Mookie/Cody/Smith to show up. If those 3 have a good game, with Corey/Muncy always on base...
     
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    My heart can’t handle a game 7.
     
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    dave is definitely going back to kenley
    the two camera shots of him in the bp last night were really telling
    first one he basically had a smug smirk on his face like "watch this guy fall apart"
    and the second he lamely clapped his hands over his head
    totally confirms everything i ever thought about him as a team mate
     

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