(3) St. Louis Cardinals vs. (2) Los Angeles Dodgers

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  1. WIn and move on to the NLCS

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  2. Lose and go home

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  1. chris

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    And right before that was the ball up the middle that Gordon got a glove on. Would have been an amazing play. They ain't kidding when they say it's a game of inches
     
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    We can only hope.
    Whatever one's take is on Colletti, and his good acquisitions , etc., the huge names like Greinke Gonzo and Ramirez, for instance, that are now part of Dodger lore (who knows how long all of them my be around), though)he is a loser...a proven loser.
    He had had long enough in this major market of LA and has not been handcuffed for that long by money restraints, as his supporters spout. It's BS and spin. McCourt was cheap in the end, sure, given his untenable position, but Colletti had as much money as anyone previously to that time, and ...well...fucked up royally. And even though Manny was a stupendous signing initially, it all turned to shit in the end....as did HoF manager, JoTo.
    It's time for a change, well overdue, and has been for quite a while now.
    The "soft spot in their heart" for Donnie, based on being a nice guy I guess, is actually a soft spot in their heads, because half -stepping , if they pull the trigger on Ned and not DBB, will put us right back into the bridesmaids outfits like always.
    Or maybe the thought is with that POS BP ned assembled, Donnie would have been playing tonight, instead of that red amalgam of puke that is going to play our other excruciating thorns, the Giants.
    Aren't they tired of this shit every year? Even if a new guy fails, so what's the problem? At least give it a shot...
     
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    I thought exactly the same thing, especially followed immediately by the Hanley leap and miss...how close can a ball come to being caught, yet not be.
    Things like that, and what happened to Kershaw again, incredibly, make me believe that we are not supposed to win; like it's written in the big BB ledger in the sky or something beforehand.
    I guess it/that's desperation, born of waiting so long...you start believing in BB gods in the sky, pushing all the "buttons" and shit. Silly, I know, but what were the chances of Kershaw, again, in precisely the same inning as on another night, having that meltdown?
    In the truest Nancy Kerrigan sense: "why... why... why?
    Disbelief...
    I wonder if this torpedoes CK's shot at MVP...even though it's not supposed to...but we all know reality.
     
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    Awards are already voted for.
     
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    You mean before the post season? I didn't know....I thought it was soon...but not yet.
    Intersting info. thanks.
    I can't help feeling that Clayton will not feel as if he deserves it, if he does get it, judging by his mood after both games. No way of knowing really, but the kid has to be bummed out no end.
    Sad, incredible ending to an almost magical year of pitching.
    Watching these two teams play for the NLCS and care about one or the other is like trying to decide who to invite to the party....Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin.
    Fuckit-I hate them both.
    Go! whichever AL team gets in.
     
  6. CapnTreee

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    sucks to have put that into words...

    sucks to be a Dodger fan

    it just sucks...

    Just caught all the news while in Panyu China... Arrrrgggghhh... shit.

    shit.

    Note to DBB AND CK; no pitching on three days rest. Full Stop.
     
  7. LA BUMS

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    He pitched pretty good. It was just him wearing down again in the 7th. It's not on CK its on Bozo for not being smart enough to see what was going on. Everyone else could see it. Just not him
     
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    oh, he saw it. Kershaw walked to the dugout after the 6th inning and sat right next to Mattingly and Mattingly questioned him right there. my problem with Mattingly is that during the game he gives the in-game interview and says " anything goes tonight, we lose and we go home "..well, if Kershaw's in trouble and 2 are on with no outs..where's Kenley at that point? if you need some missed bats and outs, and you're in a part of their order that can hurt you big time..put Kenley in the damn game to get us past that point and run him out there for the 8th inning as well..then figure out the 9th when it comes.

    Mattingly has zero creativity. if you know you're shorthanded and you can't bridge to Kenley..fuck it..use Kenley as the bridge or just bring him in when the 1st late game/high leverage situation arises, get us out of that jam and figure out the rest later. the whole " this is how we've done it all year " excuse is tired. you weren't on the verge of going home for good " all year ". the rules of engagement are different in the post season. he deserves to lose his job based on that alone.
     
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    too much Monday-morning quarterback in here. I absolutely guarantee you all would have lost your minds seeing kershaw get pulled in the 7th for your your bullpen arms. Even putting in Jansen for the 7th leaves you needing 6 more outs and absolutely no one capable of providing them.

    If you guys can't rely on kershaw to get out of a jam, you don't deserve to move onto the next round.

    MVP my ass if you guys are treating him like a kid in this situation.
     
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    and i almost feel like i'm giving Mattingly an excuse when i say he has no creativity because it really wouldn't shock me if he meant to highlight our biggest weakness with his moves and non-moves and bring more attention to how Colletti left him without middle-relief tools. wouldn't shock me if he did just that so he could shrug his shoulders and fly below the radar this off-season.

    this guy came from the Yankees..he knows full well that Rivera was the best reliever there long before he had the closer's role. Rivera was locking down the 7th and/or 8th, or just basically whenever they needed him to do his thing and save them..he was there. Mattingly should've gone to Kenley early. this report that the front office likes Mattingly because he does a good job with big personalities is fucked up..get rid of a couple of these " hard to manage - guys " as well. whether Mattingly meant to make a point, or was just clueless altogether..both are fireable offenses. and let's not even get started on the regular season..Mr. Whoops i forgot to pinch run for AJ Ellis..
     
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    Didn't want him pulled prior to the inning. Wanted him pulled once he started to struggle. CK doesn't struggle. When he does it's a big fucking red flare of a sign that he's off. And when bozo decides to go heavy on pen arms he needs to use the fuckers. All of them if need be. 1 pitcher for every batter if that's what he needs to do. And that's exactly what he could have done. That bullpen is a very expensive pen. He needed to use them and use them properly.
     
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    Jansen can get 4 or 5 outs and get them to the 9th. he's good. the point is to stifle the immediate threat though and worry about the rest later.

    and if a strong 6 inning effort from Kershaw isn't enough to lock down a win, we don't deserve to move on to the next round either. almost every other starting pitcher in the post season would love to have Kershaw's performance from innings 1-6. hell, we just lost a series to the Cards without losing to Wainwright even once and Greinke didn't even get a win.

    well, he didn't close like a MVP, but you know what..only one team gets to him like this, so he's still pretty damn valuable. if the man can't get a little help from his manager and his offense in the one stinkin matchup that haunts him, then the team's not worthy of a WS appearance. and they're barely above .500 when Kershaw's not pitching, so really they weren't worthy before the series.
     
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    not that this isn't a good idea, but you know damn well that not 1 manager in MLB would put their closer in the game in the 7th inning.
     
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    that may or may not be the case, but he can't tell everybody " well, we lose tonight and we go home, so anything goes " and then leave that bullet in the chamber. he's got to do whatever it takes, like he said, shoot that bullet and get us back home for a Game 5. you tell us that and i wanna at least see you try it.
     
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    uhh, long before?
    Rivera was pretty bad his rookie season, caught fire his second year and was closing in his third year......
    they also had wettland in 96 so it wasn't like they used the only shutdown guy available in the 7th and 8th. They was still one hell of a closer waiting for the 9th.
     
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    yea, Rivera started a decent amount of games his rookie year and didn't really secure a real role in the pen until his 2nd year. i wouldn't say he caught fire..he had the talent..it was just the role that fit him best.

    certainly. in no way was i saying it was the same exact situation as the Yanks. still, in order to get to the 9th, you gotta get through the 7th and 8th. and if those are the innings where the leverage is at it's highest, or you're watchin your starter fall into the same trap with a tough part of the opposing team's lineup due, and you say you're gonna pull out all the stops..you gotta hand the ball to Kenley, look to get a couple K's and figure out the rest when you get there. the bridge to Kenly had failed time and time again. the last resort, and last try at saving a 162+ game season is just making Kenley the bridge instead and seeing where that goes.
     
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    I hate to admit it but F Youk is schooling you guys.
    You guys are so wrong and it's a bunch of bullshit thrown around in here.

    Using Jansen in the 7th inning, bringing Haren in, bringing anyone in. It's just a bunch of bullshit. Nobody thought that was a better option. Kershaw mowed through 6 innings at a perfect game type of rate, struck out the side in the 6th, was breezing. He gave up 2 weak infield singles and was about to face a fat lefty that hit .190 vs. lefties and suddenly Don was to go yank the best pitcher in baseball? And BTW...when was Jansen supposed to warm up for this sudden appearance?

    It's all the typical DSP 2nd guessing BS.


    Kershaw doesn't struggle....lol...plenty of games I remember him struggling without giving up a 3 run HR...or ANY runs for that matter....give me a break.
    And suggesting a manager should use a pitchers because they are "expensive" is really pretty ignorant and the worst way to manage. BTW Kershaw might cost as much as all of them combined. And Ethier makes more than Puig yet you complain Ethier played instead of Puig...makes no sense.
     
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    Kershaw got beat. It sucks, but there are a lot of great players who didn't do so well in the post season.

    He still has a lot of time (hopefully) to prove himself.

    But he got beat this year. It sucks, and it's hard to believe, but it's what happened. Now let's hope and pray and sacrifice goats to the baseball gods so that the gnats don't win again.

    Although I'm expecting they will because fuck Dodger fans, right?
     
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    All that rah rah shit about using Jansen in the 7th isn't coming from me. But the 8th on. Sure I'm not willing to let go of that option. As far as taking out a player, in a PLAYOFF game, who's cruising and damn near untouchable for 6 innings then he gets flat and hittable by scrubs. Not one but twice? Yes. You take his ass out. You don't ask him. You grow a pair of balls and make the right choice for the rest of the guys on that roster fighting for a w. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or whatever inning. When bozo talks up the fact that he wanted to carry extra arms into the series it's in his and the teams best interest to use them instead of letting them collect dust. And yes that includes all the pen. even the high priced bums making more than the majority of other closers in the game. Fuck he could of even put Haren and his 10m vested option ass out there for a batter instead of letting him sit there like a chump. But hey who needs an extra pinch runner or bat when you have those extra arms bozo was chirping about?

    As far as ethiers limp ass bat who brought up money? As far as production? Even after his 8ks puig was still batting better than most of the lineup. Check the numbers. It quite comical how bad this team vets was hitting. And his defense runs circles around ethiers. Ohh and if you want to talk about the matchup against the pitcher, puig numbers were better on him as well. So yes, taking that guy out of the lineup was a joke at best. He was def looking to throw blame on someone for his mental shortcomings as a manager. But then again your boy e did a fantastic job out there falling asleep on 3rd didn't he? Every single move that idiot made as a manager backfired on him. He couldn't manage his pitching staff properly or his lineup. Yes the players play the game but the manager is the one who is supposed to put them in the best position to succeed. He did everything but that. Better yet, he placed them in positions where they failed. miserably. Letting Elbert pitch to Molina? Hahahah genius move right there. Did he ever explain that move? Wait let me guess, he didn't want to burn one of his precious right handed arms? Ohh he was saving them for game 5. Silly me for thinking of that game as an elimination game. He's a god damn mental midget on his best day.
     
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    7th, 8th..whatever. like i said, Jansen should've been ready to go whenever the situation presented itself. last post season, Mattingly only let Kershaw throw 94 pitches on short rest before pulling him..this year should've been no different. and even if he wanted Kersh to go out and give the 7th a try, Jansen should've already been warm and ready to come in if needed..that's Kenley in the bullpen tossing in the top half of the 7th..easy.

    but Kershaw shouldn't have even been allowed to hit..he should've been out. the very second that you think you need to cozy up to Kersh in the dugout and bother him about how he feels, pull him. don't ask him shit because he'll never agree on coming out. just do it. anyway, i can't speak for anybody else, but those were my thoughts during the game so " 2nd guessing " my ass. when Mattingly said " everything's a possibility tonight..we win or go home " i figured he'd throw the kitchen sink at STL..silly me.
     

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