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  1. LASports96

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    fuck off Braves, making the Cards even better smh
     
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    After we were there twice, my wife and me at that time, were thinking about moving there permanently. Just the best place, scenery, culture, people...it has it all. She even called a few companies about job opportunities.
    I wish I could get back there at least for a week or so.
    Victoria on the island is another wonderful place.
    Canada is awesome. Just pissed at the Jays for doing another "the Dodgers are sure to get him take down as the list of "sure things" grows and grows.
    What did we offer this guy, as reportedly, he did talk to us.
    Must have been an amount IN line. But, will we be IN the playoffs with AJ and his sub .200 BA this time around ?
     
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    Another thought I was having, it sort of pertains to the teams off-season plans, draft picks, the Dodgers will have 1 in the first round and 1 in the comp round. If every team just re-signed their QO player (or that player signed with a protected pick team) the Dodgers would have the 26th pick in the first round, of course, that will likely move up. Now, on to the comp round, the order is based on 2014 record, meaning that the Rockies already hold the #1 pick in that round for having lost Cuddyer. Also, any teams 2nd pick in this round comes after every teams first pick, so the Pirates second pick will be 11th ATM (remember, Detroit re-signed Martinez). So, currently the Dodgers would hold the 9th pick in this round (38th overall). Remember, Baltimore gave Cruz a QO, so they would get 10th.

    That's where this stands currently, and this will change in the coming weeks and months and I will update it as best I can.
     
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    lol far too early for that
     
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    No it's not

    guerrero is going to be 28 and Erisbel is going to be 25 when the season starts. If they can't trust them for a starting gig at SS or 2B at this point, it's not like they have years ahead of them to improve. They're not old but what I'm saying is they're not some young prospects were waiting to develop. And right now they look like guys who are going to be pricey back ups, when they were signed to be starters
     
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    well for 1) Guerrero was never signed to play SS. and 2) Dee emerged at an all-star level while Guerrero was catching up in the minors..a nice problem. and 3) Guerrero was well on his way until the ear biting incident..he was absolutely raking and on the verge. nobody's asking Guerrero to improve or develop at his age. he just needed to catch up. this idea that you can close the book on him is ridiculous. Dee was " dead in the water " too before last season, right? people need to slow up.

    and Arruba is what? 24yrs old?

    aside from that, these were Ned signings..not Zaidi signings. new regime..maybe a new thought process. anybody else OK with them going after a proven vet SS for this playoff team and letting the rest sort itself out? i get that people wanna see contribution, but the organization needed assets and if that's all that Guerrero and Arruba turn out be..that's fine too. they can be dealt.
     
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    It's the 50 million dollars committed to them that's the problem. Insane. I just don't get it.
     
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    somebody posted something similar on this subject a while back, but i feel much of the same..we had serious questions up the middle of the diamond last off-season..it's easy to forget that after things develop the way they have, but what if Dee never takes hold of the 2B job this year? it's Guerrero's then, right? hell, it still may be Guerrero's spot..the new FO may feel it's best to sell high on Dee? the point is that things change quickly. you never know. who predicted that Dee would play an all-star caliber 2B? not a soul in this galaxy. these guys, Guerrero and Arruba, are far from bums and other teams had interest in them..that's how the price for them gets driven up. but it's not like they were old guys signing these deals. both young, both talented. so why not outbid other teams for their services when your organization needs more talent in it?
     
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    Jon Heyman@JonHeymanCBS ยท 4h 4 hours ago
    russell martin contract breakdown, for deal that is now official: 7M, 15M, 20M, 20M, 20M



    woooooooooooooooo..those last 3yrs THO.

    i mean i know they have the DH, but Martin absolutely loses value if he's not catching. good grief.
     
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    Give Arru and Guerrero a chance to prove themselves next year before we cast them as failures or money not well spent. I know it's a cliche but it's not our money and Guggs can afford it so why sweat it. Have to remember too that the money didn't count against the International pool.
     
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    Their deals were long before Dee actually showed he could handle 2B, and we were unsure of Hanley's health.

    Guerrero got his ear bitten off, and Arru was known to be more a defensive player than anything. I agree somewhat, but back when we has a ton of question marks up the middle, it made sense that we went after these guys. And they were some Ned deals, too. Dude loves to give money hand over fist.
     
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    Not all on Ned guys but that never matters on here. Remember Stan nixed any thought of trading Joc, Lee, Urias and Seager so he's not sitting by and letting a subordinate run things.
     
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    And Dee is going to be 27 in April.

    :shrug:
     
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    Again another example of possibly finding their stride later in their mlb career.
     
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    Yeah, I think what I (and possibly TB) are saying is getting mixed up.

    I'm not really saying Guerrero and Erisbel are shitty players not ever worth it who don't deserve a shot.

    I'm just saying they're not at an age or salary level where we can be patient and just hope they figure it out. Shit, Dee was probably close to being done as a Dodger. And the front office obviously believes that Alex and Erisbel are not worthy of starting spots, so essentially they're saying that that money spent is gonna be wasted or used for a backup. Which kinda sucks. And they probably are being too quick to judge them cause maybe Alex and Erisbel can be useful but also, they seem to have enough info from there scouts and analysis to be skeptical in just handing them the starting gig, which is concerning for two players who arent cheap in guaranteed money and aren't guaranteed to develop much better. They might, but "might be good" is something that's cool for a prospect you're only committed 400K for, like how Gordon was. Not for players you invested 50 million in

    With that said, I think both can be splendid backups with Guerrero hopefully being a great option to start vs. Lefties at 2B/LF. If that's what he turns out to, that's cool. But it's also not someone we would love to have have signed to that deal
     
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    i still think you're closing the book on them as far as their future with the team. neither one is old nor are they set to be free agents after next season, so it's too early for that. their window doesn't close after next season.

    with this attempt @ getting Alexei, we should applaud them for trying to add an accomplished veteran at such a key position for a playoff team. Guerrero and Arruba will have their time. hell, their time might be next season..injuries play a part too ( as we saw in Puig's case)..and that goes back to the need for talent/depth in an org that was thin in those areas.
     
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    In addition, we don't know what their future holds, as to what they could bring to the Dodgers in potential return. Either could be traded and some prospect involved in the deal could become a star, or they could be packaged with other players in a deal that brings a star to LA. So the book on their value has yet to written. It could be a wasted investment or a shrewd bargain. Time will tell.
     
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    I'm not ready to write both off completely yet. Baseball is crazy and there's obviously some talent there that can hopefully help the team and surprise us this year and moving forward.

    It's just so far, indications show the front office and the scouts that avise them don't have faith in them right now. Maybe that changes if they do something else with Dee or are able to trade them or start them right away at first injury.

    Guerrero is the one that I hope is good next year cause he's pretty hard to trade, will be 28, and him hitting would be great
     
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