GAME THREAD ASTROS/DODGERS World Series

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  1. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    Houston is following the same plan as we are. Except with two exceptions.
    They cheat.
    They cheat by tanking, having a little league park, stealing signs, hitting batters, and going after the big money players other teams dont want. The nerds got out nerded on this one. They saw the pricetag on Verlander and balked. Houstons nerds did not like the pricetag ethier, but they found value in the fact that most teams were turning away from Verlander because of the salary. So they said forget the salary implications... what would be the best thing for our chances to win the world series right now and for the next few years?
    That made going after Verlander a good bet.
    Underdogs gotta cheat.
    Houston won because they are better cheaters.
    At least they arent roiding.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    our opening day payroll was $242MM
    houston's; $124MM
    night and day
    the nerds had to pay $31.8MM in luxury taxes for being over the limit
    astros were roughly $45MM under the limit and are still $17MM under even after acquiring verlander
    apples and oranges, not to mention detroit was asking for verdugo and alvarez
     
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    Yeah but that is the biggest reason they won the WS.
     
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    how?
    he gave up two bombs in game 2, which we should have won
    and was saddled for the loss in game 6
     
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    :smh:
     
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    MLB Analyst: Dave Roberts had “A Very Bad Series”
    CBS Sports Radio — 17 hours ago

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    The Houston Astros won their first World Series in franchise history Wednesday, beating the Dodgers, 5-1, in Game 7 in Los Angeles. The Astros jumped on Yu Darvish early – just as they did in Game 3 – scoring five runs in the first two innings. The Astros arms took it from there, scattering six hits and allowing just one run.

    For this, the Astros – who beat both the Yankees and Dodgers in seven-game thrillers – deserve credit.

    “I just love all the young energy,” MLB Network Radio and MLB on TBS analyst Casey Stern said on CBS Sports Radio’s After Hours with Amy Lawrence. “It was a lot of fun and the cool part of this team is that we always have that question about chemistry and is it important. Clearly you have to have players that are good, but there’s absolutely no doubt that the chemistry this club has, the way they believe in each other, the tight-knit group, the energy that you could see through the TV when you’re watching on the field or at home, I think that was a big part of why they won. I think it’s a special group, and they’re not going anywhere for a while. They’re going to be around now.”

    The Dodgers, meanwhile, deserve some criticism – Dave Roberts, specifically. Was winning 104 games – the most since 1953, when the franchise played in Brooklyn – a success? Yes. Was advancing to the World Series – for the first time since 1988 – a success? Yes.

    But Roberts will likely be kicking himself for sticking with Darvish, who was chased in the second inning for the second time in this series.

    “Look, I think Dave is fantastic. I know him well, I love him, I covered him in ’04 when I was covering the Red Sox. He is a good person, and he will learn from this,” Stern said. “But he had a very bad series. I don’t think he necessarily got out-managed because I don’t think it was necessarily toe-to-toe in that way, but I think he had some bad moments. . . . I think pulling Rich Hill in Game 2 early put him in a bad spot. (Kenta) Maeda got tired, (Brandon) Morrow got tired, and they were kind of chasing themselves in that bullpen ever since then.”

    For the series, Darvish allowed eight runs on nine hits in 3 and 1/3 innings – good enough for a 21.60 ERA and a 3.30 WHIP.

    “The first game you could tell he didn’t have his stuff,” Stern said. “Sometimes with pitchers, they just don’t have it. He had no feel of the fast ball, he couldn’t spot any of the curveballs, his slider, and he just left him in there to give up runs. Tonight was the worst move of them all. I was literally losing my mind because I’m rooting for a good game and I’m screaming. You cannot sit there after Darvish looked bad in the first inning. If you’ve got Clayton Kershaw available – who should have started this game anyway when you saw how good he was – you got to put him in there. You got the best pitcher on the planet. You got Alex Wood behind him. You don’t sit there and watch Darvish. This is Game 7. This isn’t May 9.”

    After allowing two runs in the first inning, Darvish walked Brian McCann and gave up a double to Marwin Gonzalez to begin the second. At that point, Roberts, one would think, would go to his bullpen.

    Nope. He left Darvish in the game. Three batters later, it was 5-0, with George Springer going yard for the fifth time this series.

    “You allow yourself to get in a position where Darvish gives up a two-run home run,” Stern said. “That should have been a 2-0 game. That was on Dave Roberts, and I think it was the worst decision we probably saw honestly from a manager in the postseason. Everybody talks about Dusty (Baker) with (Stephen) Strasburg and Joe Maddon had a few blunders. When you get in a spot like this, (you have to have) urgency. You cannot get in a position where you’re watching Darvish give up five runs – and that was the difference in the game because guess what? The amount of runs allowed after Darvish left? Zero.”
     
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    so 12 hours ago lol
     
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    yeah last i checked. Kenley game 2
    Kershaw choke game 5.

    still the reason why we lost.

    last I checked one will still be out ace and the other our closer next year.

    so. keep the same squad for the most part, Get back and hopefully they don't choke again. :kike:
     
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    I gotta admit, it still sucks.

    We live up here in enemy territory, and my kids have been raised to be Dodger Blue through and through.

    My older boy has a huge LA symbol on his wall, and we leave the house with our Dodger hats on.

    When the Gnats won multiple times, it wasn't a big deal other than having to deal with insufferable Gnat fans.

    But in the back of my mind, I always thought we'd get one. This year felt good, especially after Game 6.

    Turns out, when the Dodgers lost, I was more upset than the kids. They're young so they have never seen the "glory days". They think it's normal.

    And that is what upsets me....losing like this seems normal to them. The stories I tell of Gibson, Orel, Fernando, Cey, etc......, and it kinda sounds like catching the big fish tales.

    What I don't want them to be are a bunch of sad sack Red Sox fans or Cubs fans or Indians fans that have to put a Dodger hat on my gravestone the next time they win a WS. This is not what I want.

    These Dodger assholes better know how to WIN. These so called studs better learn how to WIN.

    At this point, sign a MadBum, a Springer, Gregorious....people who are clutch. I don't care anymore.... Truth be told, I'm tired of CK's holy heart and oh gosh BS....give me a win when it counts. I hate bubble machines and "we have your back" pep talks. Just win.

    I saw a documentary about Johnny Unitas. Before a big game, the Baltimore coach gave this rousing pep talk to his team. He turned to Unitas for additional fiery words. All he said was "Talk is cheap."

    Yes, just get it done. Players need to play, skippers need to know what they are doing. Right now, I don't see that.
     
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    Great post, Gebb. I'm with you completely on the 'sign a winner' and while I love CK, I'm over his good guy bullshit. Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale were assholes, drunks, and philandering bastards, but on that hill, they owned the opponent and raised a few trophies. We need guys like that, and a few hitters with stones as well.

    Re: Unitas --- a good read on the era of REAL football players like Johnny U is a book titled FATSO by Art Donovan. The tales he tells in that are both funny and instructive about how great football used to be, and I cannot watch it anymore because the modern game is not to my taste ...

    Re: explaining to my kids one day what winning it all felt like.... well, obviously, I/we hope they know for themselves soon enough, yes?

    Incidentally, on Thursday, I left early for school, got there and threw myself into a stack of essays and a pot of black coffee. As first period started coming in, some kids started to say, "Sorry about ..." and I cut them all off with a plastic smile. "It's over; congrats Astros; nothing else to say..." I said curtly, then went right into the Poe's "Fall of the House of Usher" Nobody baited me or effed with me, students or faculty. I didn't want to talk about it and I was simmering all day, but hiding it well. So when I got home that afternoon, I figured I'd just stay away from sports networks and Facebook and such . . . but as I walk through the door, both my daughters were in their Dodger gear. My older one even went to preschool that day wearing it, because, as she told her mom, "I want Daddy to know I love the Dodgers, too!"

    So you know what? I couldn't be in pain after that ... I went into the backyard and cried for about a minute tops, mostly in disgust at myself as for the Dodgers, and a bit in shame at how I had missed the whole point. Then and there, I stopped being a pussy, came back in and kissed my girls and played some Harry James and swing danced around the living room with them. No more head-hanging or eggshell walking for this Irish mook ...

    Hey, I get that it still sucks, especially if I let myself dote on it for very long. But I'm not going to let it spoil the important things. This Dodger team will win their championship. Guggenheim will see to that, Kasten and Magic and the others ... they'll do what they do and not even the Astros can stop it. Something has to give with the talent pool we know is there and is still coming up. It's just fucked that it didn't happen yet, as in the last four years and definitely not this year.

    So yeah ... anyway, have a good Saturday, men. I've got a back gate to paint and bunch of piss poor essays to grade...
     
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    just have to wait out all the video and internet stories
    those will be gone soon enough
    and when the free agents start signing
    and the trades start happening
    we can start getting our hopes up again
     
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    I used to struggle with sports too. I never had anyone to show me the ropes on how to be a fan. Did not have that dad or older brother to teach me. So I became a victim of being a sports fanatic missing the point of the beauty of sports in the process. I had to learn how to do being a sports fan.
     
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    Jonathan Villar and Zack Cozart think you're a great fan and wish there were more like you.
     
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    Yep. Agreed. Drysdale would have bkitch slapped Darvish and sent him to the showers. Gibson would have hit Gurriel EVERY time he came to bat.

    Dodgers got no stones.

    This. I too avoided this thread and all related news until now because the pain was too real. But both of my kids were awesome because they knew it mattered to me. And that nothing could fix it but time. And even if my kids are both adults the compassion of kids for their parents is huge. Now DO NOT EVER miss a father daughter dance or any other thing with your kids... life is too short.

    The Dodgers came close, but no cigar. It takes a lot of years of failing to accept that, but at least we're not gnats fans
     
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    loved drysdale
    my favorite dodger ever
    was as tough as anyone to ever put on a uniform
    yet one of the nicest/most humble guys off the field
     
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    I never met him. I read & heard thst, as you say, he was a good person overall; I also understand that he was plagued by raging drunkenness & serial infidelity. At the end, he seemed content with Ann Myers though. I hope he was happy when he went.
     
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    sounds like college
    could say that about me back then
    diablo?
     
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    Don was a straight shooter. He always told it like it was!

     
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    and still one of my favorite calls of all time...

     
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    just occurred to me this thread is astros/dodgers world series
    could it be the thread maker jinxed this series?
     
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