DODGERS Daniel John Haren

Stop your.......:hissyfit:



The Chinchilla is an average player and still a mental midget.

 

Kemp has perhaps been our 2nd best hitter this season

 

Thas' my boi, Koufax...

 

I'm gonna take an unpopular position here.

Ten million for a guy eating 180 innings and getting his team to break even or better, in today's market, is not really that bad. Unless management plans to promote someone from the minors to fill the same role (which right now does not look likely) then I'm ok with Haren as the #5. All this talk about getting Lester/Scherzer/Price/whothefuckever is just that...talk. Ain't gonna happen.

:finger:

 

Actually, I agree record is not relevant. But in CBillz case, it is. Look at some of those teams he pitched on, which offensively were pretty fucking bad, and then wonder how he never had a losing season. If you look at runs scored, the Dodgers never finished better than 21st in MLB except in 2009 during his career.

The real reason whiners like Koufax hate Bills is because of his post season numbers.

 

Bump....haters.

 

169 IP

 

^... instigator...

 

If we clinch over the next 9 games then we'll be able to skip the start after his next one. Not sure if he'd be too pleased...

 

I agree. Especially on a one year deal, if he can have a couple good stretches, it's worth it. However, I disagree that they won't pursue those big names, especially if they don't win the whole thing this year. They will pursue Lester because he can't be given a qualifying offer, and they have just over $40M coming off the books between Bills, Beckett and Ramirez.

 

The scary thing is what is plan B if we don't resign Hanley. Like him or not, he's been the second best hitting shortstop in the game next to Tulo. I want absolutely no part of Rojas, Erisbel, I don't think Guerrero is even an option, or a reincarnation of Justin Sellers.

Makes me wonder though why tf we gave so much money to Erisbel and Guerrero. They suck lol.

 

they don't suck... they have use, however neither should be starting for this team at any point.

 

Disagree. Erisbel is the glove guy and Guerrero is the bat guy. Guerrero will hit, despite what his current numbers say, he's hit pretty well his whole career. However, what Dodgers99 said about the 40 mill coming off the books may not be realistic. I could see them signing Bills to a make good deal, Hanley the qualifying offer, and I'm not ready to say Beckett won't attempt a comeback.

I see money coming off the top, but more likely Ethier or Kemp in a trade that sends money to the receiving team.

 

I'm sure you all noticed, but forgot to celebrate, Haren reaching his innings goal, activating his option for next year. For $10 million bucks, I'll take a next year exactly like this year. Money well spent.

 

however, i disagree. logically, if you put out a 120M dollar offer to an unproven Masahiro Tanaka then it probably means you're willing to put a respectable offer out to proven guys like Lester, Scherzer, or Shields. the only thing our front office is down on is giving up 1st round picks to sign guys..

..which could hurt our chances with Shields, seeing as how Shields may get a qualifying offer from KC.

Detroit might take a look @ dealing Price this winter and we saw the return Tampa got for him..Detroit might get even less since Price will only be closer to free agency. or they may keep Price and let Scherzer walk..or they may ante up and keep both. it's gonna cost them, but Detroit's been willing to spend, so really it's hard to call DET's situation.

Lester's situation is probably the easiest to call..A's obviously aren't keeping him. they're gonna make a lesser offer to the younger Samardjiza. most think Lester is Cubbie in waiting, but they can really only offer him money and can't ensure that he'll be playing for a winning team and he wants to win as well. the Red Sox are a bigger threat, IMO..they've said they're gonna be willing to spend big this winter and they'll be an improved team next year with both youth and older established guys around. personally, i'll be sick to my stomach for A's fans if they gave up Cespedes for Lester and Lester ended up going right back to the Red Sox. smh talk about OWNED.

Greinke could opt out and leave after next season, so LAD would be wise to make an offer to Lester and cover that base. we can obviously offer the money and a winning situation. we should be a player. oh yea and Lester is from the west coast, so we also have that advantage.

 

i will say that i feel Scherzer's stuff is a bit better than Lester's at this point and Scherzer probably has more left because Lester's obviously pitched deep into the post season several times. i just really don't think Kasten is gonna part with a 1st rounder to get Scherzer if Detroit offers Scherzer a qualifying offer. not entirely sure what Detroit's plans are..i mean they'll be pretty good in terms of starting pitching without Scherzer with Price/Verlander/Sanchez/Porcello, so they may end up investing in their bullpen instead. who knows? again, i'm just more certain that Lester won't get a qualifying offer and so there won't be any issues other than the money for us.

would love to have Scherzer..for 1) we need another good righty to balance the rotation. and then Scherzer's from St.Louis, so it'd be nice to own the Cards with a guy from their own backyard..really can say the same for Scherzer's DBack ties as well ( even though they're firing everybody in Arizona Lol). there's also Lee and Hamels who might available at some point this off season. a lot of possibilities, but Lester is the only one whose situation is clear at this point.

 

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree...again. Shocker, I know.

Here's why. You've got Kershaw, Grienke, Ryu, and Haren under contract. Yes, Grienke can opt out after 2015- a)worry about that in 2015, b) if the Dodgers win the WS this year and can be in the mix next year, ...he ain't gonna opt out. Also, he averages 23.5 million for the next several years...I don't think any team is gonna up that significantly. Assuming Ryu comes back healthy, all you need is a jouneyman starter who isn't gonna cost a significant draft pick. Any number of guys could fill that role, not to mention that Zach Lee either has to be tried or traded at this stage in his career. Payroll for 2015 already stands at $190 after Haren's option kicked in and that is with no Hanley, Gordon, Paco, Jansen, Wilson, AJ, SVS, or Turner, just to mention a few. It doesn't make sense that the front office would try to equal the 2014 payroll by going out and signing a top pitcher in light of the current roster and raises probably coming for some lower tier players. A couple of wild cards are out there in Beckett and Billingsley and who knows what the trade market might bring. I still say that top tier pitcher ain't gonna happen. In six months, we'll know.