GAME THREAD DODGERS/D'BAGS

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Jul 12, 2016.

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Dodgers...

  1. Take care of business, sweep a shit team, pee in D'bags pool

    20.0%
  2. Take 2-of-3, win the series

    40.0%
  3. Lose 2-of-3, lose the series, fail mission

    20.0%
  4. Get swept, embarrass the city of Los Angeles, drink pee from D'bags pool

    20.0%
  1. Bluezoo

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    As a heart attack.
    Why say that if the rumors are swirling that the FO has you on the " players to trade" list?
    He knows people at all levels are losing faith in him, why say something like this then? If he's being sarcastic and droll, then he's certainly aware how this makes him appear, no?
     
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    jpldodgers DSP Legend Staff Member Moderator

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    Puig is great at getting timely hits with RISP when we are up 5+
     
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    Wow..Seems lile a pitched battle with numbers as the weapons...
    Assuming all are true, the clutch numbers though, are pretty damn bad, imo.
    His response " it's a job" is, by definition, is condemning his own performance.
    That said, I think ot will a difficult move on many levels, should they decide to actually pull the trigger on a trade. I just foresee a lot of complaining, particlarly with Puig's supporters, on the return he would bring, if it happens. And some just don't care who, just as long as he's gone baby, gone.
    Maybe the FO genius rep can circumvent that though...we'll find out soon enough, I guess.
     
  5. THINKBLUE

    THINKBLUE DSP Gigolo

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    If Puig was good, our phones would be ringing off the hook.

    In reality, we would be lucky to get a B prospect for him.
     
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    jpldodgers DSP Legend Staff Member Moderator

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    No longer worried about the return.
    Addition by subtraction.
     
  7. Fall Winslow

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    Welcome.
     
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    jpldodgers DSP Legend Staff Member Moderator

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    And I know our lack of OF depth is the big argument for keeping Puig, but I'm confident we'll add a corner OF and Joc will be back.
     
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    Yup.
     
  10. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    that's not fair!!!





    he's also converted risp a couple times when we've been up 8+
     
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    Is there a stat that shows Puig hitting useless singles or getting a BB when down 12 runs in the 9th?
     
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    C2ThaB81 DSP Legend

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    I don't think he knows what :sarcasm: is in all honesty. And if he wasn't being serious he further proves how dumb he is giving everyone a field day with an answer like that to that question.

    But to answer your original question....yes I do.
     
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  13. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    yes
    it's called wPuIG
    simple calculation...
    puig's [total hits + walks] x .99 = puig's useless hits
     
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    carolinabluedodger DSP Legend

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    I think what you meant to say was:

    "Fail you, this is why."
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    or
    fail you will
    yes
    why this is
     
  16. rube

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    Yeah, how bout provide some meaning to those stats?
    Those are tough situations and the numbers need to be compared to other players hitting in those situations... not just looked at in the abstract.
    A player is considered good if he performs nearly as well or as well as normal when he is in a tough situation.
    A player is considered clutch if he performs better than normal when in such tough spots.
    Generally most players perform worse in those situations.
    So to get a good measurement you must compare the numbers to the league average to get one gauge and to the players own normal average to see how much he shrinks or rises in tough spots.

    General RISP is a great stat because it tells you how well he produces for your team throughout the game and season.

    I will use the stat where Puig shows to be the least effective, i could cherry pick one of the other stats where he would look more favorably but i wont. Instead i will choose 2 outs and RISP and compare him to others on the team.

    Seager .211 .302 .368
    Turner .227 .261 .227
    Kendrick .148 .233 .222
    Puig .182/.270/.182
    Joc .171 .256 .200
    Utley .270 .357 .351
    Adrian .320 .433 .440

    I only see two guys who are good/clutch there.
    The rest fall big.
    Seager falls 100 points in average, but he thats ok with me being that he is so young. Kendrick is the worst falling over 120 points in average.
    Puig falls pretty bad at around 70 points in his average.
    What can be gleamed from Puigs stats is that when its 2/RISP he becomes much better at drawing walks. So while his hitting dips he still manages to help the team by getting on base a lot more than normal. Which helps to move players over and further set the table for other hitters.
    But different players do different things to help a team win. Some produce late, some produce early to get the team going, some in the middle, etc...
    All those types of players are needed for a good solid lineup.
    It would be nice if they all could hit well in 2/RISP but thats not the reality of sports.
    BTW a lot of these guys are worse front runners than Puig if you go look up their stats too.
    And one of our good players in the clutch happens to be our leadoff hitter and he absolutely sucks statistically when leading off an inning/game.
    Stats are tools.
    They are only as good as the people who wield them.
    And in the wrong hands they will always be badly implemented or worse... used as weapons.
     
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    Now do full player lists for Tie Game, Late and Close, Behind, and High Leverage overall.
    Wield those stats for me.
     
  18. Gebbeth

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    Video must you watch....or flail shall you do.
     
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    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    I did one for you, you can do the rest.
     
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    Nah, you've gotta do better after all that teaching..take another run at it.
    Fact is, yeah, you may have picked the 1 category where Puig is least effective " to be fair ", but you also picked the only clutch category where he compares semi-favorably to everybody else...clever, or maybe not so much.
    I'd still love to see you run down the full list of clutch numbers, doing the comparisons, putting together another summary for the spectators, but this time with a wider, more complete scope.
    Tons of irony in your synopsis, like how you picked out the " 2 outs and RISP " category when this latest anti-Puig flare up was ignited over his ineptitude in a situation where LAD had only 1 out and RISP, needing only a sac fly.
    Just underlying stuff to chuckle at.

    Spoiler alert: Puig is the only guy among that group of players that's terrible in all of these clutch categories, and I mean every single one of the categories.
    He's as pure a front-runner as they come and nothing you concoct, or wield, can change that.
     

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