Hate Speech Laws Could Bar Trump from UK !!!

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  1. CapnTreee

    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    I read this and laughed... and laughed... and then laughed some more.

    This would serve this blow hard idiot perfectly.


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    "So we started a petition to prohibit Donald Trump from coming into the United Kingdom under the grounds of 'hate speech'. I bet you didn't think we even paid attention to potential candidates, but we got your back. The petition is currently at 43,254 signatures as of 08:29 GMT. At 10,000 the government has to respond. At 100,000 it goes to parliament. "

    Heres your sauce: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003


    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

    Votes stand at 299,082 when I last checked the petition sight!! ROFLOL!!
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't agree with much of anything Trump says or stands for, but thought policing him out of a country is probably even worse than his antics.
     
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    agreed
    let the buffoon speak
    if you don't like his thinking/politics simply don't vote for him
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    PC is a disease, that we agree.

    I can't believe that the UK will do anything even if 300,000 + people request it.

    More of a public statement against Trumps average everyday misgynistic hate speech.. nothing to see here .. move along .. move along Pay no attention to the blowhard loud mouth...

    .. just don't elect him either
     
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    well said :golfclap:
     
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    the fact that everyone in the media and the government hates him is refreshing even if he is out of control
    my worst fear is he is laying a politcal nuclear bomb that elects pillary
    that would be worse
     
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    My only thought on Hillary is Nancy Reagan... Just Say No!!!
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    good news; i think bernie sanders has a shot at being the democratic nominee
    bad news; i think bernie sanders has a shot at being the democratic nominee
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    Just a hypothetical: the election comes down to the battle of the demagogue: Sanders vs Trump. What do you do?

    I'd move to another country.
     
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    talk about a no-win situation
     
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    :facepalm:

    These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
    by Jon Ward | Senior Political Correspondent Yahoo Politics — 2 hours ago
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    CHARLESTON, S.C. — The people kept coming, and the line kept growing and growing.

    The line of people to see Donald Trump snaked from the entrance to the USS Yorktown aircraft carrier down the parking lot, back up toward the entrance again and then back around alongside another lane of cars. By the time the fire marshal stopped letting people in, with almost 2,000 people onboard the ship, there were still around 1,000 people waiting outside.

    For three hours, I walked among the Trump supporters standing in line, engaging them in conversations that lasted between 10 and 20 minutes, trying to better understand who they were and what had drawn them to come see Trump.

    The portrait of a Trump supporter — drawn from those conversations as well as an extra three hours of interviews with attendees at a rally in northern Virginia the week before — did correspond much of the time to the basic profile: white, middle or working class, resentful of immigration, overwhelmed by dramatic changes in morality and technology, and fearful and angry about being left behind culturally and economically.

    And so there were plenty of men like Willis Priester, a 63-year-old independent contractor, who told me that President Obama is a Muslim and that gay people are “the devil.” He was quick to condemn Muslims but hesitant to voice his objections to homosexuality. Once he did, however, it was clear he felt just as strongly, if not more so, about both the acceptance of gay marriage and about the sudden social disapproval of his views.

    There was also no question that the heightened alarm over terrorism after the San Bernardino, Calif., attack on Dec. 2 was drawing some people toward Trump. Trump’s “toughness with the situation” was a point of appeal to one man who gives guided tours of the Yorktown, and others voiced similar sentiments.

    But I was surprised at how a fair number of those I met at the Trump rallies were not like Priester. Trump is drawing people who defy stereotype. They were not necessarily older, or all that conservative, or even white. What’s needed, they feel, is someone larger-than-life, someone who they hope can bring about change and fix what’s broken in the country through sheer force of personality.

    For these people, Trump’s nativism and faux-populist appeals weren’t the main appeal. For some, Trump stood for a return to hard work and personal responsibility. For others, Trump appeals to something instinctive about their sense of what’s needed. And for others, his celebrity and entertainment appeal drew them and functions in their view as a form of leadership that may carry over into effective governance.

    Curtis Quinn, 54, and his wife, Janelle, were stylishly dressed like the kind of couple you might see at a hip Brooklyn bar. The considerably younger Mrs. Quinn wore expensive-looking boots, formfitting pants with a camouflage design, and made the black “Make America Great Again” cap on her head look like a fashion statement.

    She was originally from Milwaukee. Quinn was from just outside Boston originally, and is a thoracic surgeon here in Charleston. He wore a leather jacket covered in colorful patches, which represented the military service of five men in his family. One grandfather, he said, served in the “Lost Battalion” in World War I. Another served in the U.S. Navy. His father fought in the Battle of the Bulge. One uncle flew 48 bombing missions over Germany in World War II. And another uncle took part in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, Quinn said.

    “I will never be the caliber of people these people are,” Quinn told me in a Northeastern accent, referring to his forebears. “Never will be. I don’t have that in me. But I see that however lax I’ve became from this generation, the now generation is so much worse.”

    “I just don’t see motivation. I don’t see hard work. I don’t see ethics. Things like that that I think are totally lacking,” Quinn said. He spoke with passion, but did not come across as angry. He was warm, engaging. The Quinns have two young children, and Curtis said he didn’t want them to grow up in a country where the government controls too much of human activity, commerce and thought.
     
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    :suicide::cliffjump::

    Trump's support soars to new high
    by Colin Campbell | Business Insider — 2 hours ago

    Billionaire businessman Donald Trump's support is rocketing even higher in the aftermath of his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the US, a new poll released on Monday found.

    Trump had a commanding 41% lead in the Monmouth University survey of Republican and GOP-leaning independent voters.

    That represents a 13-point gain from the 28% Trump had in a poll from the same firm in mid-October.

    "It has become abundantly clear that Trump is giving his supporters exactly what they want, even if what he says causes the GOP leadership and many Republican voters to cringe," pollster Patrick Murray said in a statement.

    The poll found several other candidates' support growing since October, but they were still far behind Trump. US Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who has surged in most recent polls, was at 14%. And Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) was at 10%.

    Other candidates weren't so lucky. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson saw his support sag to 9%, while former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was at just 3%.

    Last Friday, Trump blasted Monmouth's polling operation in the wake of one of their surveys finding Cruz ahead of him in Iowa.

    "We're leading in most of the polls. We're leading in every poll — no, every poll — except [in] Iowa there was one poll: Monmouth," Trump said. "I've never heard [of] Monmouth. What the hell is Monmouth? What is Monmouth? Explain it. I don't like Monmouth. You know why I don't like it? Because they always treat me badly, also. I only like polls that treat me well."​
     
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    Shallow is as shallow does...

    :smh:
     
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    Move to another country? Nah.. nothing better out there that I've seen yet... Though NZ sure sounds sweet!

    No I'm wondering if having an outright Socialist as Prez would actually re-teach America why that is so bad.

    And, in all candor, when comparing Socialism to unchecked Capitalism as we've recently witnessed with outright corporate and banking theft we've endured for the past decade.. Socialism doesn't look so bad.


    ..dunno what I was thinking...






    ...must have been the 'shrooms in the risotto ...
     
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    But we don't have nor have we ever had anything near "unchecked" capitalism. In capitalism there's a level playing field and the entities that provide the best service win, those that don't lose and consumers get a choice.

    We have a corporate oligarchy where big companies control the government and in turn the government manipulates the playing field to help the companies that control it. That is not capitalism in any sense of the word. It's closer to socialism, actually.
     
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    It is factually unchecked capitalism when Martin Shkreli can do what he did. No other explanation. I favor IP protection but this is a 62 year old monopoly that he purchased solely to rape users of a sole source life saving drug. No way that ain't unchecked capitalism. Burger joint to burger joint yeah whho has the lowest prices or the best meats whatever.. that applies to commodity markets only and not so much to IP protected products.

    We 100% agree that we are run by a bought and paid for completely corporate owned Congress. Calling that capitalism would be wrong but so is calling it socialism.. more like 'Corporate Socialism"

    It's fucked up no matter what we call it
     
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    You keep using those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

    Corporate Oligarchy and Crony Capitalism are both alternate and more technically correct descriptions than "Unchecked Capitalism"

    Which by definition does not exist in "Unchecked Capitalism". A truly free market has no protections of any kind. This problem arose because someone thought it was a good idea to put some checks (IP protections, FDA regulations, etc.) on capitalism.

    There are no protected monopolies to buy in Unchecked Capitalism, as there is nothing to prevent someone else from manufacturing the drug and selling it at whatever price they like. So again, this situation only exists because a government tried to "check" capitalism.

    You don't like the situation and you want to disparage it with an emotionally loaded pejorative, but it is a factually incorrect description. Regulations and protections (checks on capitalism) created the monopoly and the subsequent exploitation of the market--one that could not possibly exist in an unchecked capitalist market.
    I don't like the situation, either--but calling it something else that I don't like doesn't help.

    IP protection is a check on a market. You may like IP protections, in most cases I do too, but they are a check on capital markets. IP protections and Unchecked Capitalism are mutually exclusive.
     
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    Thank you for your detailed replies.. upon reading I think that we vehemently agree on more points than not despite whichever label is placed on it. I am a fan of Ayn Rand but still favor minimal controls over Capitalism for the better good when required.

    It seems like a sliding scale where anything goes is on one end and complete socialism is on the other. Am I the only one seeing that?

    Is there a shade of gray that suits both our personal protections and societal progress as well? Dunno. Love my patents but I couldn't price my product like Shkreli because Wal-Mart sells a half assed version for $40. Or less. Of course I'm not affecting the life and death of pregnant moms and cancer victims either.

    Certain items/topics require legislation in the protection of the public's best interest but that has been abused to the point of insanity these days. I agree with GM food labeling to protect (or not) my family.

    My son argued admiringly on FB that Shkreli was an astute capitalist in the truest sense of the words.. and took heat
    My daughter and all her friends think Bernie is the only way... idealistic student having not yet earned their own way.

    Generations go through life not understanding what it takes to earn their keep.
    entire genders even more so but that's another topic


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    lol awesome!

     
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    Lots of people think about it that way:

    Far left is all the autocratic types where the state has the most power and the individual has the least: Fascism, communism/socialism
    On the far right is where the state has the least power, or there is no state at all: minarchism or anarchy. Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean chaos a la Somalia--it could be a relatively orderly society where all interactions are voluntary.
    Corporate Oligarchy (where we are) is toward the left. Democracy (rule of the mob) somewhere in the middle, and an honest republic (haven't seen one of those in many generations) is more toward the right.

    We're probably not mature enough as individuals or society to make it all the way to the right and live peacefully. So the thought is we need a state to protect the weak, but states always feed on their own power, moving to the left and oppressing/killing along the way. States invariably end up being worse than the ills they're designed to combat. Not sure there's an easy answer, but we keep trying the same one (authoritarian states) over and over again.

    But isn't that easier without laws/regulations requiring the labels? Brands can voluntarily label that they're GM free, if they think that adds value.
    Of course, brands could lie and fraudulently claim to be GM free, but that's no different than the case now. And who gets to decide what "GM free" actually means, anyway?
     

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