How long can they keep Joc in the minors?

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  1. IBleedBlue15

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    Really, that's the main thing. Everyone realizes that it's April and no one is panicking, but problems like this need to be dealt with before it becomes a normal occurrence. The Dodgers will definitely contend for the World Series, but the postseason is all about who makes mistakes and who can capitalize from them.
     
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    *His Joc has the tools. (Couldn't resist)

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    It's good to see Puig starting to hit again.

    Kemp's BA stinks, and he's striking out a lot, but that could still be from missing ST. His SLG and OPS, while still low, are both significantly higher than Crawford and Ethier's. I think we'll see him heat up in May.

    Crawford has look bad -- really bad -- so far this year. But he is only one year removed from hitting .300 for most of the season, and can still steal a base or two.

    Ethier is the one that in my mind is finished. He seems to have completely lost his bat speed. It's not like he hasn't been playing or coming off an injury, so I don't see how the speed can be recovered. Week groundouts to first or second are his norm now. His RBI numbers are a little inflated because of where he bats in the lineup and some timely grounders that found their way through the infield. But when he's at the plate, I'm thinking a walk is best case scenario. He'll hit a few HRs just because of the whole blind squirrel thing, but for all intents and purposes, he's potentially the weakest hitter on this team now, and I don't see that changing.

    Van Slyke - I'd definitely be starting him over Ethier, and possibly Crawford. I just like the way the ball jumps off his bat when he makes contact. Not saying he would be an all-star, but I just have more confidence in him at the plate.

    Unfortunately, SVS doesn't have the defensive flexibility of Ethier... which is where Pederson comes in. The only concern with Joc right now is his inability to hit lefties, which admittedly is a big one. I guess you could platoon Joc and SVS vs righties/lefties, but that's not a good long term solution. The organization should be putting in all available resources to improve him vs southpaws. Until that happens, I don't see him getting the call up.

    So for now, it continues to be the mess of an OF we have. I wish Mattingly would just commit to Puig and Kemp as everyday starters, with Crawford and Van Slyke platooning, and Ethier sits.
     
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    If Ethier could start hitting better, he'd be a way better option than Crawford. His OBP was .360 last year and Carl never gets on base. Plus, we wouldn't have to see Crawford's Juan Pierre esche arm in left. It really doesn't matter though. This will solve itself out once 2 of them start to separate themselves from the rest. Or they could just suck all year, idk. IMO, Puig and Kemp should be playing every day.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    great post and great synopsis of the of situation
    • i agree kemp deserves a liitle more time to adjust. the thing that worries me is him reverting back to chasing breaking balls out of the zone away. maybe he's pressing, but it's a bad habit to fall back into
    • puig is puig, and despite periodic lapses and mistakes, needs to be in the lineup every day
    • crawford is a defensive liability; he has a shit arm and gets bad jumps/reads on balls
    • ethier is a liability both offensively and defensively
    • svs, imo, has earned the right to get more playing time
    • joc, i doubt he'll ever get a serious/reasonable look as long as crawford and/or ethier are on the roster
    behind closed doors i'm sure kasten/ned would love nothing more than to trade carl and dre away.
    the problem (as we all know) is their value is so low (and contracts so high) that we'd likely get very little in return
    it would be one thing if one/both had, say, a year left on their contracts
    but both have three seasons left after this year, carl at $20MM+ per, andre at $18MM+
    even scarier when you break it down/add it up... counting 2014, we owe just under $150MM for two below average hitting/fielding outfielders
    guggenheim might have deep bottomless pockets, but no one is going to walk away from an $150MM investment without exhausting all possible options
    consequently -- and sadly for us -- i see carl and dre getting every opportunity to prove themselves (futile as it may be) before joc ever gets a sniff
    only way we unload either of them would be to take on an equally bad contract in return
    just my :2cents:
     
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    I am confident that the GM will make whatever moves neccessary, whichever problem he addresses, and there are quite a few, to firmly ensure at least another season in our already substantial tenure as a bridesmaid team. Quarter of a century is a nice round chunk of time, eh?
    With all the Nedtaint licking I've read , no matter what befalls us in this division, Ned Colletti is a loser tried and true, proven multiple times since he's been here, no matter what excuses people make for him...or how much money he spends, even if it's the most in the sport of baseball.
    Just remember: we don't have Frank McCourt to conveniently blame anymore for Ned's abominations. Who gets blame now? George Bush?
    Still waiting for him to put one together that will bring it home for the loyal LAD fans worldwide.
    Even the ones with the fucking beachball.
    Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
     
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    Damn good post Irish.
    IMO also, indeed the salalry structures Ned has utilized for these players that we should move if possible is the biggest problem with the way he has GM'ed us. He has tied our hands, either with not equal value for what moves (if any) we possibly make, and leviathan albatrosses like CC, who is nowhere near what he is being paid, like you wrote. Are we still paying Manny and Juan?
    Boston unloads them all on us, clears their roster/salaries, and does what? Goes on to win the WS. That's a good GM, making winning deals.
    Sure, I want Agon, but is he worth CC and Beckett mediocrity (or upcomig DL stints for sure) for years with their huge salaries? And the other good guy we got, Punto, certainly better than anyone we've got now, he lets get away.
    Maybe this will be our year, like everyone seems to have predicted. I sure hope so. I guess there's not too much chance of carl Crawford playing in AAA is there? Or anyone else making beau coup money.
    Welcome to the Dodgers Mr. Pederson.
     
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    I just see problem with manager
    Only weak spot is starting c.f. and backup catcher
    Everywhere else we have great players or good role players like Ellis, Uribe, and now Dee.
    Pinch hitting we are deep with slyke, Ethier, Crawford.
    Good middle infielders in system coming up to shore those issues.
    staff is great, good team but how used is important.
     
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    Too bad all mlb contracts are guaranteed. Imagine the house cleaning possible if these contracts were structured like the NFL?

    Crawford, Ethier, League would all be gone.
     
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    How about the Guggenheims? If they knew anything about baseball his firing would have been the first thing they did after buying the team.
     
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