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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by rube, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. Fall Winslow

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    You're probably right, given that there's reportedly a couple other teams with assets to burn/major interest in Kawhi, and that Pop would rather not help LAL in particular. Ingram headlining the LAL offer along with probably Julius in a sign and trade, 2 of the most improved players in the league last year..it hurts, but it's a deal that likely has to hurt for Pop to accept it. It is a trade between rivals, after all. Makes it realistic/reasonable, if you will. Pop praised Julius from their time together in USA camp and Ingram was there as well, matching up with Durant a lot and impressing. That'd be a strong/competitive offer, but the $ Julius signs for would make him an expensive piece, so Zubac probably goes as well. Even though he likes Julius, Pop is probably looking for more than one inexpensive, young piece in this thing.

    George famously preferred LAL last year, " giving LAL leverage ", and nothing came of it. This thing with Kawhi could end up being the same, but it sounds like LAL is ready to make a stronger push..maybe since Kawhi is just better than George and/or because LeBron is ready to roll. And then last offseason just wasn't the right time to trade Ingram in general, not coming off a poor rookie season. But now, given his improvement, it could be argued that Ingram's growth in the area of closing games could ultimately end up being stunted on a team with LeBron/Kawhi since the ball wouldn't consistently be in his hands in late game situations. Moving Ingram could truly be in everyone's best interest.
     
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    Need to move Deng too so if they get Randle and Ingram, throw them a couple picks so they can take Deng off our hands and they can flip Aldridge in the same deal and get assets back for him
     
  3. Fall Winslow

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    Bringing Deng into the equation could be a quick way to push Pop in the other direction. From what's been said by Woj thus far, I don't see Pop being a part of a salary dump in this Kawhi/LAL stuff. But LAL can go to ATL or Brooklyn or some other rebuilding team with a solid amount of cap space and offer Deng along with their 2019 1st rounder and maybe more future draft comp to take him. They had given up trying to trade Deng during the season, but that was before they'd gotten a 1st rd pick in the CLE trade, plus it's just going to be easier to move a contract like that in July since teams will be clearing out cap space and usually have a better idea of where they want to go in the offseason.

    Tank commander BScott said yesterday that CP3 would be on board with LeBron and Kawhi instead of George. I don't make it a habit of listening to BScott, but between his former team captain CP3 and his BFF Magic, BScott probably does know something. And then in recent days there's been more stuff coming down about George staying in OKC as well, so there's still smoke gathering there. George could be taking the extra money in OKC, but then there was also report a ways back that said George's camp just wasn't high on teaming up with LeBron for LAL. Don't know why, but maybe George doesn't want to be #2 or even #3 at home? Or maybe there's nothing to all the smoke and he signs with LAL? I'm good with CP3 instead of George, though, personally.
     
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    I’d rather have George. Paul is getting old and getting hurt a lot. I also find it difficult to believe he wouldn’t want to play with LeBron, could just be smoke if LeBron insists on CP3 I gusss
     
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    Danny Ainge is going to swoop in and give the Spurs a great offer of young cheap hardworking team oriented under control players Terry Rozier, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and Greg Monroe plus a first round pick for Leonard and Pau Gasol.
    He would have a powerful lineup of Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Leonard, Horford. The bench he could fill in with cheap veterans.
    The Celtics lose 3 key young players but Smart was probably leaving anyway. He and Monroe can both be sign and traded to the Spurs wh play a style that fits them well.

    The Spurs would rebuild fast around big men and young defensive minded guards.

    PG: Marcus Smart, Patty Mills, Tony Parker
    SG: Terry Rozier, Kyle Anderson, Manu Ginobili
    SF: Dejounte Murray, Danny Green
    PF: Jaylen Brown, Rudy Gay
    C :LeMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe
     
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    You know, even though there are so many possibilities this off season, it’s the least stressful off season in awhile.

    No stress over lottery position and blowing a high pick.

    Salary cap space.

    Multiple good FAs to think about.

    Youth and talent at almost all positions.

    Youth and talent for trade opportunities.

    And interesting trade scenarios.

    Even if the Lakers do nothing, this team is still very interesting for building up from ground level.

    I do think ultimately we will trade some young assets to do a Leonard deal...too good to let that one go. Not getting PG13 but signing Lebron and getting Leonard, in my book, it the best counter.

    And that 20 pick, if we keep it, may turn out to be gold as well.
     
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    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    The worst things that can happen next year are not that bad.

    1. Lakers dont sign anybody and even lose Randle and its just the young kids on the team plus new picks, wait for 2019.
    2. They at least bring back Randle as well as IT and one or some of the other vets on the team.
    3. They lose Randle and to regroup make a big offer and sign Boogie Cousins and save the next contract for Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonard

    PG: Ball, Caruso
    SG: Klay, Hart
    SF: Ingram, Wear
    PF: Kuzma, Bryant
    C : Cousins, Zubac
     
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  8. Fall Winslow

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    Time definitely isn't on CP3's side and that's sort of what I like. He'd be coming in with an immediate thirst for a title. And LAL would land a major blow to HOU and cancel them out as competitors next season. If he's good to go on a 2yr deal with a team option for a 3rd year, maybe the 3rd year is partially guaranteed or whatever, I'd bite..so long as LeBron is committed for the same amount of time. Wouldn't mind maxing CP3 out on the AAV, just make it a shorter term contract. Without Zo or LeBron around, though, I wouldn't be as receptive. CP3 definitely needs legit playmaking help at this stage to take some of the load off. But other than age and injury, CP3 is OK with me. He's done more in the playoffs than people give him cred for..big time series against the Spurs a few years back, game winning shot in Game 7 sent the Spurs home. And then of course he was giving Curry the business and was lifting HOU past GSW before he got hurt this year. He gets thrown into the Harden category because he hasn't won it all, but he's better than Harden in the playoffs, no contest. Zo could use a mentor as well.

    Speaking of, if I'm LAL, I'm not trading Zo. At least not now. Zo's value isn't where it should be to fully take advantage on the trade market. But more importantly, of LAL's top young pieces, Zo's the only young piece that defends well on a consistent basis. He was probably LAL's best defensive player last season. Offensive fit is always popular and it does matter, but defense is ultimately going to be the biggest factor in LAL's chances of taking GSW down and Zo gets it done. Always on the defensive glass, securing possessions and then obviously off the races in transition after those rebounds. I have to believe LeBron wants to keep Zo around. He does too much good.
     
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    i think thats about accurate
    its a big price
     
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    maybe we can become one of those four or five teams w a realistic chance again
    how exciting lol
    feels like our chances are high
     
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    So on that note can the lakers trade their 25th pick this year IF they get a pick back in this years draft? Im curious if the Lakers could trade their 25th pick and Randle to the Spurs for their #18th pick???.
     
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    Didn't think about this until now, but Mintz could be leaking all of this George stuff on behalf of Julius since he reps both players, to make sure Julius' value isn't undercut. If it were the other way around and they were to leak George's intentions on signing with LAL, it could kick-start LeBron's camp as well and then the next thing you know Julius has no team to go back to and loses that little bit of leverage with other interested teams. Makes me wonder if Mintz wants Julius to come off the board first.
     
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    Kawhi officially tells Pop to his face that he plans to play in LA after next season, for LAL or the Clips, preferably LAL. Now we see if Kawhi stays strong and swats other interested teams away, or if he caves to public pressure like George did allowing some shithole into the game. Thanks to Kawhi's uncle, and the Spurs' behavior pissing Kawhi and his camp off, I'm definitely more confident in Kawhi staying strong. He reportedly didn't even want to meet with Pop at all.

    With the Clips holding 2 lottery picks tomorrow, LAL has to come correct with their offer and soon, like today if they haven't already. They made their offer for George before the draft last year and so here they go again, except with a couple Top 5 players waiting for them to get it done this time. Hopefully, they've been locked in on Kawhi's medicals and are familiar there. Still say Ingram + Julius S & T + Zubac should be enough. LAL could probably snatch Rudy Gay up on the open market since he's opted out of SAS, almost make it like Ingram/Julius/Zubac for Kawhi/Rudy Gay. Gay was the Warriors' backup plan if they weren't able to re-sign Iguodala, so maybe Gay wants to get into the picture with LAL and beat the Warriors
     
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    Lol Dwight headed to his next team, MJ trading his sensitive ass to Brooklyn..for Mozgov :facepalm:
     
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    not sure why either team wanted to do this but D12 is a journeyman now
    he's a serviceable big but he's clearly doing something to wear out his welcome
     
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    agreed
    howard's just lucky he didn't come up with shaq, hakeem, robinson et al
    bkitch would have been the black arvydas sabonis
    racist
     
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    Hornets save money this year...
    Nets will have 2 max slots next year.

    Howard's sole value is a salary dump...either this year or next.
     
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    Good luck attracting FAs to Brooklyn.
     
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    Sure the franchise has been a bit disfunctional, but it's still NYC. People want to go there.
     

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