New York Mets vs. Los Angeles Dodgers (Aug. 22nd - 24th)

Not as if 2014 Hanley was going to drive him in is it? Worth a crack Nigel.

 

nah, there's always a chance. you never know what can happen..maybe the 1B makes a poor throw or the catcher bobbles the ball. you never know..that's why it's called being aggressive..that's why coaches get pissed when guys don't hustle down the line to 1B on what looks like " routine outs ".

like i said, Puig is an undisciplined baserunner in general and that's probably the biggest reason why they were all in his face..they've been working with him a lot in this area as of late and they were probably just trying to stay on him about it. but in this instance, considering who was on the mound, the kind of lead he was working with and the kind of team the Dodgers have been this year when trailing, Puig's aggressiveness was fine there.

 

Nah, totally disagree...
I really don't think all those things go through Puig's mind while he's out there...it's basically some kind of instinctual reaction that he has, and not intelligent thought/prethought from him. No way. You are doing that for him, and spinning it to a logical conclusion...even the man behind him Hanley, most likely not driving him in, which I admit is a distinct possibility, doesn't come into it for him...although it does for us.
If allowed to completely run amuck and then be validated for doing it, I wonder what would be the scenario in the playoffs if he did so in a tight game...a lost it for us. It would be a whole other thing then, and not so meaningless.
In fact, if it were a 9th inning/7th game situation and he got on first, I'd think about pinch running for him, given his lack of BB awareness...
And if it wasn't Puig, and his rampant ego running into a triple play, I believe there would be zero supporters for that player and that kind of dopey behavior.

 

not that particular thought, no. however, that's the reality and the coaches definitely understood the circumstances of giving Bartolo Colon a 5 run lead. that's game time. start thinkin about tomorrow.

but i guarantee that Puig knew 2014 Hanley AKA " not so good Hanley " was in the batter's box waiting to leave him stranded at 3B.

 

Well I don't think you can guarantee that, just like none of us can when we post opinions about anything.
My opinion however, on the Hanley thing is his brain wasn't even in the vicinity of your explanation...remotely. And it's never OK to end an inning on an idiotic play like that, winning or losing a game. I wouldn't mind if it was an isolated , or even infrequent incident...but he's been doing shit like this since day one. When it works, it's euphoric, but the odds aren't that way, or even close. This is the ML.
We just aren't going to agree on this, not that is a prime importance anyway, but I see what I've seen from him, over and over and over.
I just hope it doesn't kill us at a really bad time in the near future.
All the "wild horse" love in the world won't erase a key game loss from unbridled, bonehead baserunning in my world.

 

yeah, he thought the 2nd best hitter on the team had no chance of driving him in, classic stuff, right here.

 

no i guarantee that Puig knew Hanley was on deck, dude. he's not that much of an airhead. Hanley probably should've felt slighted, but what is he gonna do?..should probably start hitting.

you're doing what the coaches were probably doing there..just staying on him because of what he's done throughout his career rather than staying within the situation of a game that was lost long before that out.

i don't get into all the " wild horse " stuff..i'm looking at this particular instance and whether he knew it or not..we lost nothin with that out. when the time comes where we're down 2 runs in a tight game and he runs into an out then, i'm lettin him have it. there's a teaching point that needs to stressed and he needs to know that aggression is OK..sometimes. not all the time, but sometimes..so keep the head in the game.

 

actually, i'd rank Puig as the 2nd best hitter on the team at this point. i'd probably go with Hanley as the 4th guy right now and i'll be happy if he proves me wrong. however, Hanley's been garbage this year, so you talk about classic stuff..we could probably use a classic Hanley over the next month or two. that'd be nice.

 

I did try to end the endless psychoanalysis of Yasiel Puig and what he was thinking while on base or not, and was it OK to do what he did. As I said, he has made uber duflus plays and non plays, from trying to throw a guy out from 400 ft. away to getting picked off at the worst possible times possible....and everything in between. Countless times.
If you believe it's OK to do what he did against the Mets, it's OK.
I'm still hopin' bigtime that he doesn't do it in the post should we get in it, and send us off to the fucking bridesmaid shop for another pretty loser gown at the start of another quarter century of failure.
You're right and I'm wrong...
"From this place where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever"
-----Chief Joseph, of the Nez Perce, also Blue Zoo

 

it's been a while since shortstop was a position to brag about having the highest anything in. compared to last season and what we've seen him be able to do..you can't tell me he hasn't been garbage. he started off the year pressing because of his contract status, got banged up and has never really come out of it. he's put together about 4 weeks of ball ( 2 weeks at a time) where he's hit to his potential and looked like he was coming around, only to fall back off.

we obviously have different definitions of " great "

 

he has definitely not been garbage and has been great for a SS... that's why we need him back, he's one of the best SS's in baseball.

 

well if it's the playoffs, and we're down 5 runs to a post season caliber starter, i want Puig being aggressive, but maybe that's just me. i mean we've seen it plenty of times..bad throws, bobbled balls, catchers out of position, etc. anything can happen and Puig's been a rallying force for much of his short career. so long as it's the right situation..go crazy.

 

offensively..which is really not saying a lot.

but playing to his potential this year, he is not. the fact that many of us want to move on from him after this season says enough.

 

so you wanna get on me about the word " garbage ", but then you back it up by using the word " great " for Hanley this year? i'm a Hanley fan and i expect more, but my man..you've gotta be a Hanley homer if you think he's been great this year.

 

and if he was guaranteed to be " great " at the plate, none of us would give a shit about all the things you listed. but his performance at the plate is no guarantee because we've seen him hit .270-ish and scuffle a good portion of the time in 2012.

our front office bought not 1, but 2 shortstops last winter because they're not bettin on Hanley either. they saw this in 2012, when he was healthy.