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  1. jpldodgers

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    LOS ANGELES -- Yasiel Puig spent at least 30 minutes visiting with friends in the stands while the rest of his teammates were either taking batting practice, fielding ground balls or shagging fly balls before the Los Angeles Dodgers' 6-3 loss to the San Diego Padres on Tuesday night.

    Stephen Dunn/Getty ImagesYasiel Puig is batting only .189 in his last 28 games and has not homered since July 31.
    When Puig's batting practice turn came up, he got to the cage in time to seeHanley Ramirez launch a ball over the left-field bleachers, off the metal roof and out of the stadium. How the Dodgers would love for one of those shots to come in an actual game.

    Puig is often the last player to arrive in the Dodgers' clubhouse and he is rarely seen on the field for early batting practice. Nobody, least of all manager Don Mattingly, seems to be willing to make it an issue, at least not publicly. The lax management style of Mattingly and the rest of the organization with Puig is an in-house matter, after all. He's their player. Maybe they have a better idea how to get the most out of him than others might.

    It just looks a bit funny when he's batting .189 in his last 28 games and hasn't homered since July 31 -- plus when he sparks the team's most embarrassing defensive sequence in years with a bad throw, as he did Monday night.

    The Dodgers have lived with Ramirez's shoddy defense all season. He has made 16 errors. Only two shortstops in the National League -- Brandon Crawford and Ian Desmond -- have made more, and both of those guys have played at least 31 games more than Ramirez at shortstop. Both have higher fielding percentages than Ramirez. And, by the way, the advanced defensive metrics have far less-flattering things to say about Ramirez's play at shortstop.

    Ramirez made two errors in the second inning Tuesday that ushered in three more unearned runs and made life even harder on struggling starting pitcher Roberto Hernandez. He is sometimes a sulking presence in the clubhouse. For weeks, he has refused to speak with inquiring reporters, often brushing past them without acknowledging their existence.

    So, is Ramirez's poor play at shortstop beginning to overshadow his contributions at the plate now that he's batting a mediocre .267 and slugging a less-robust .434?

    Stephen Dunn/Getty ImagesHanley Ramirez has been hurting the Dodgers with his defense, but his hitting has also been below his standards.

    "We've been playing like this all year. He made an error tonight and it ended up being a costly one tonight," Mattingly said. "It's not something where, all of a sudden, you just change what you've done all year. This is what we've been doing trying to get offense from that spot. He's a guy who can do it -- gets four hits last night, drives in a couple runs. It just happened to be a costly one tonight."

    It's pretty obvious by now that the Dodgers are simply going to live with Puig's idiosyncrasies in the hope that he'll find his way out of this maze on his own. It's also pretty obvious they'll live with Ramirez's shortcomings as a shortstop in the hope that he'll drive in more than he lets in.

    But the sooner those two things happen, the more secure this team will feel about its chances of winning the division and avoiding the perilous wild-card route to the playoffs, and the more optimistic it will feel about its World Series chances. Aside from Clayton Kershaw, the guy who was first to say it's "World Series or bust," for this team, there is nobody in the Dodgers' clubhouse with as much talent as Puig and Ramirez. Lately, Matt Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford have been hitting enough that the struggles of Puig and Ramirez have been partially obscured. The Dodgers had won four in a row before Tuesday's clunker. They still have a 2 1/2-game lead in the NL West, which means they're guaranteed of carrying a lead into this weekend's series in San Francisco.

    But starting Friday and until the Dodgers' season peters out somewhere along the way, everything is under the lights and the Dodgers would love for two of their marquee talents to start putting on a show -- preferably not a comedy
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    i fully believe that both could be gone next year..Miami for Puig and NY for Hanley
     
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    Interesting article.
    I don't know who Puig thinks he is...I guess the start he came in the ML with is condusive to acting like an established Babe Ruthian type fellow, but his immense ego has always been a problem, IMO, and always will be. Potential and performance are two different things, and he is plain out stupid and head strong in his play much of the time. He is descending to an average ballplayer statistically, and looks like he's staying there, for now.
    And Hanley has always been a head case, and has shown an odd demeanor all year at the plate. He looks sometimes so uninvolved and his glove is an unfortunate factor that comes with him.
    We will be lucky to go deep in the post, should we get there, with these two prima donnas pirouetting at the plate; ss is a bad place to have a guy who makes multiple errors on consecutive nights. Real bad.
    Puig is turning out to be a spectacular bust, unless this is his time, as Vinny says, "that happens to them all". It may be, but his personality and work ethic aren't a slump...they are caused by his attitude and his childish ego, plain and simple.
     
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    Puig's a 2nd year guy, newcomer in america + like Vin says they all go through it. and then he's wildly popular and has people pulling him this way and the other. it's understandable, but he still needs to make time to get the early work in that he needs. not sure why they aren't demanding he be there early or being more public about it, but i'd assume that they 1) don't think he'll respond well and/or 2) don't wanna tear down his value publicly. he'll never be average ( not in his athletic prime anyway) because his pure talent is just overbearing, but if he doesn't focus in his monumental talent will be a double-edged sword..which is really nothing that hasn't been reported already.

    Hanley, on the other hand, this kind of year for him had to be expected. contract year for a former head case guy who's probably looking for his last big contract in the majors. i truly believe he wants to do right by his teammates..which is why he tries to stay out of sticky situations with the media, but he can't help but press on the field with the contract pressure that's on him. and then of course he has the nerve issue in his back and he's constantly getting treatment. at this point he can really only hope to let loose in the playoffs and rebuild some of his value. it's hard to say that the Dodgers could've avoided this with Hanley by just giving him a deal before the season started because he wanted like 130M or something like that and he needed to prove a bit more for that, but damn..i just believe his contract status fucked him this year. once he gets his deal worked out, wherever it is, i think he'll be better for it. it may not be with us though because of the big money/big commitment options we have in the org at his position.
     
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    Their stats since the ASB are pathetic. We have been winning in spite of them. Hanley 248/2/17/668, Puig 255/1/8/724. Of the two, I am more confident Hanley will turn it around with his proven track record offensively, but I am not expecting anything like his performance in the NLDS last season. Puig just looks completely lost at the plate right now. Wiffing on fastballs down the middle...it's not like the approach vs him has changed that much. I just know that we are going to need at least one of these guys to perform offensively if we wish to win anything of significance
     
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    Puig's timing is way off. He's been way late on fastballs. It's almost like he isn't seeing the ball very well.
     
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    Can no one see the truth here? Is everyone afraid to say it?

    Puig is hurt. He's been hurt for a while now. He isn't just in a 'slump', he's playing through pain.

    This guy sees it.

    http://dodgersdigest.com/2014/08/30/dodgers-yasiel-puig-dl-andre-ethier-joc-pederson/

    Since Aug. 4, Puig has a .190/.289/.215 triple slash with two doubles. It isn’t just him not seeing the ball well, it’s his hip acting up. He’s been playing through it for a few months, and it’s finally catching up to him.

    Mark Saxon can choke on a fat cawk. I would almost bet the reason Puig isn't fighting for time in the batting cage (and the reason Donnie doesn't seem to care) is that he's been told not to over do it, to save it for the game. Everyone knows Hanley is hurt, the cocksucker stays hurt. I still love him though, no homo.
     
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    I actually expect the opposite during contract years. Players often are motivated to put up big numbers to get the big contract. It hasn't seemed to happen for Hanley. Maybe he's complacent with the big money he's earned up to this point.
     
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    maybe, maybe not. he was asking for 130M, so i feel like being complacent when asking for that much loot wouldn't make sense. aside from that, i mean he looks like he's trying. some guys just react differently to contract year pressure, bro..but it's true..i'd bet that most us expect guys to do well in their contract years. again, we all know about Hanley's nerve condition, so he's fighting that all year too along with having head-case tendencies. i can remember when he 1st got buzzed on the hand this year and he went berzerk in the box afterwards..you could see that the pain was secondary to his disappointment because it's indeed his contract year and everybody knows the Dodgers wanted to see if he could stay healthy. and really, he was already pressing up that point. i'd bet they've wanted to give him more 15DL stints, but he was fighting it to show them that he can be reliable..i mean aside from the well known times when Hanley was fighting to play on days.

    if Puig was still hurt and they were forced to play him because of " the race " and no other nice options..that sucks. i knew about the hip injury he suffered, but figured it wasn't serious because he got back out there. gotdamn shame that we had nobody who could step in and do well while he took some time.
     
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    Interesting take on a Puig injury...didn't think of that honestly, since after every swing Puig goes through a whole routine of gyrations, winces, and bat slamming and body flexing. But it could be.
    Why can't we know about it officially then...top secret stuff? It would be nice to understand somewhat that he is injured rather than just sucking. What's the point of the non-info. Evidently, teams have no problem...just throw a No.1.
    However, if he is hurt to the point of becoming pretty much what he is, an automatic out, then he should not be playing. What is the purpose of injuring him further and getting almost zero out of him? There's replacements available...it's not like Puig contributes right now.
    Isn't the best CF in the LAD organization on the roster? So what if he whiffs...Puig does no better now.
     
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    He should be studying more no doubt but he knows he's hit at this level and he and the Dodgers are hoping it'll come back but time could be running out. We're winning despite his struggles so I'm taking solace in that at the moment but do we honestly think he'll be replaced by Dre or Joc?
     
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    Maybe it'll come back to him this weekend in AT&T park. He was unstoppable vs them last time
     
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    i kind of like this..not that i want Puig hurt of course, but if he's hurting and he can't be " SuperPuig " it means the others guys have to step up and rally around him. your Crawford, your Urib, your AGon gettin back on track and Kemp too. if Hanley coud just get over his shit..Mattingly agrees with what i said about free agency bothering Hanley..i think it's bothered him all year.

    Hanley Ramirez does not seem to be handling the final stretch leading up to his free agency very smoothly, writes Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register. Ramirez refused to talk to reporters following a two-error game Tuesday, and even on Monday, he turned away reporters from the Dodgers‘ own regional sports network. Manager Don Mattingly implied that he thinks Ramirez might be burned out from answering the types of questions associated with his current situation, as he’s never been this close to free agency before and hasn’t dealt with the situation in the past.
     
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    Is it his contract situation or is it hanley reverting back to old hanley. I don't know if it's just me but he looks very disinterested out there during games. I remember him being more emotional the last couple years and even when he does something productive it seems like he has a yeah whatever attitude. Maybe he's playing thru pain still but at this point I'd be surprised to see him back next year
     
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    HanRam is playing himself to 3rd base somewhere. DH as well.
     
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    After watching Uribe play a stellar 3b these past couple years I don't even want HanRam at 3rd. It's a longer throw with shorter reaction time. I love the guy but he looks like an AL player to me. I'd be happy to deal with his terrible defense if he's hitting .300/30/100 on a season but that's not what we're getting. Of course when he goes to the Yankees he'll be that player and they'll be back in the World Series for the next 4 years but what can ya do?
     
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    I never said I wanted him there but he's better suited for there or as a DH. As for Uribe I love the guy and he's our glue guy it seems but he's not the offensive talent HanRam is.
     
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    Hanley would be playing 3B for the Dodgers, very soon
     
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    Okay guys Dan Haren needs 11 more innings to get his player option vested. Are we hoping he doesn't make it???????????
     
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    I am hoping, I am no longer hopeful, however. fuck
     
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