OFF-TOPIC Thread

There was an armed security guard who is an off duty police officer who could not stop him due to his weapon. You bring up banning all guns being the end game which is a total fabrication not by you but by the gun lobby. You fight for things that are possible and that is impossible and clearly not the motive behind stopping a weapon that has no real use to everyday life. Hate is the reason I know but you cannot stop that or prevent it from happening but you try and stop the things that can be done or at least attempted. I'm not trying to argue the motivation but what my initial intent was to hope that we focus on the VICTIMS not how and I now regret putting the statement about the AR-15, lol.

 

a rather more lucid rant there Rube...

a minor explanatory phrase tweak FIFY


and was that a sly dig at ole Bernie there too you old dog? LOL

 

we disagree
the gun lobby isn't making it up
on occasion the anti gun lobby slips up and makes statements about banning all guns
hillary is making no bones about her desire to ban guns and BO has been a huge proponent using every single incident to push the agenda
its not going to happen but that is the end game
the registry of guns worked very well for a guy named hitler when he set about extinguishing the jews
our politicians fear us at the end of the day and they should

 

Agree to disagree. Saying things and executing them are 2 different things, there will always be the people want them all banned but it's not logistically possible. I myself just want these high capacity clips banned. There are no possible uses for that weapon in a non-military application. The calls for banning them all are a result of emotional trauma. If I believe you that the gun lobby didn't call for it then why are they so willing to spend on stopping even the smallest of things in regards to guns.

 

Rube:. orsers = orders ?

 

Great post.

 

God, I hate the Off Topic thread because it's turned into the political topic of the day thread. But I also sense in this thread the kind of hatred of the "other" that is probably the cause of a lot of the conflict I this world, this government and society in general. And pick what the "other" is....everyone has one. It's just human nature.

What happened in Orlando is a tragedy no matter who perpetrated it and what instrument was used to carry it out. It was certainly a hate crime from what we can tell, and the volume of death can be directly attributed by the tools the maniac used to carry out his crime.

But for a moment, let's be logical about this.

Even if you believe the worse case scenario, and this was an Islamic terrorism event, why a gay night club? For conservatives in this country, there are probably people who say they do not condone this lifestyle, but don't approve of killing people who are LGBT. But there are Christian conservatives who blindly turn an eye when it comes to the dangers of being LGBT. You cannot deny that.

So can you say that if it was a Christian Right fundamentalist that did this, would that change the narrative? That poor kid in Wyoming was tortured and left to freeze to death because he was gay. So is that behavior limited to just Islamist?

If you go back into history, murder, rape, and genocide against another religion has not been limited to Islam vs the West. Europeans have been responsible for more mass murder against their own and against the "other" than any other group you can imagine.

And not to long ago, a Southern, Christian white boy killed God-abiding, Christian blacks praying in a church of worship....because of race.

All this talk about "this" administration, "liberals", "Islamist",......it just perpetuates the same carousel of ill-logic of what the real problem is....people love to hate each other....love to say they are different, better or superior to the "other". But it's just not true. We are all guilty of prejudices and some have taken it to the extreme...even people whom we ideologically believe in.

I remember a commencement speech I heard. It was made during the Bosnian War against Serbia. Sarajevo was under siege and snipers were cutting down men, women, children just trying to cross the street. These were Orthodox Chrsitians fighting a holy war against a mixed Muslim population in Bosnia. I don't have to mention the death squads and rape camps these so called Christian set up.

Anyway, there was a young couple, a Muslim girl and Serbian boy. They were childhood friend and soul mates. As the girl crossed a dangerous path, she was cut down by a sniper. The boy ran after her and as he reached her, he was shot by a sniper (not sure if it was the same sniper). As they lied bleeding to death, they reached out to each other, and held hands. And that is how they died.

They were buried next to each other in the Olymipic Stadium, which had turned into a mass grave site.

The commencement speaker said something that I would never forget. Civilization is not natural...it doesn't just happen. People have to work at it...work hard to preserve it. It means understanding each other and trying to make civilization work.

Today, with so many people in our society against each other....denegrating each other to the point of making the "other" almost inhuman, do you really think the OK Corral is the right option?

Is a 5.56 MM, semi-automatic assault rifle really a necessity in this world? Would arming every citizen, with all their distrust of each other, and the small percentage that are truly psychotic, have access to the same tools that made Syria, Iraq, Libya, and the recent past history of places in Europe a death zone a good idea?

If you have Jews shot and killed in this country take up arms against Muslims, and the Christian Right shooting up Blacks in South
Carolina take up arms against each other, Gays against straights, neighbors arming each other to the teeth in a mini arms race.....is that rally solving the problem? Or is this the real version of those silly....or maybe not so silly....Purge movies.

I will put my stake in the ground on this. PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH HIGH POWERED, HIGH MAGAZINE, SEMI AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLES. They cannot even be trusted with high magazine, semi automatic handguns. Why? Because the natural....uncivilized reaction of people is to hate the "other". As I said, as others have said, civilization is not natural.....and I'm not sure that the current state of society is ready for this.

Some of my closest friends and family members own guns. Not only your standard issue Berrettas, M1911s and Glocks, but also Sig-Sauers, Hi-Powers, M-16A2s, Styer-AUGs, Bren sub machine guns, BARs, AK-47s, you name it, and I love these guys all. But it can be such a fine line between sane and madness. I just don't know.

What happened in Orlando, Sandy Hook, Colorado, Virginia Tech, San Bernardino....etc....it's not right. But the tools all these people used should not have been available to them.

This is not the Wild West. I thought we had reached "civilization". I refuse to give up that feeling, but letting the few massacre the many so easily.....it's just not right. It's just not logical.

 

Thoughtful post
It would appear that we are on the verge of civil war and complete insanity
All I know is I will do everything I can to deflect and extingush the evil that finds me
I do not walk around with hate in my heart or my eyes despite what some here might think
But I also can't pretend like it doesn't exist and ignore the signs
That said I have a smile for everyone i meet
I feel thats my duty to my fellow man

 

totally agree
its not going to work for dems to say its not islamic terrorists when its completely clear it is
no one would hope for this massacre but it has to open eyes that would normally blindly vote democratic
this religion hates gay people and even the "moderate" muslim states like saudi arabia behead and murder them
who in fucks sake wants that in the U.S.?
number 1 job of the government is to keep us safe and thats just not happening atm

 

I feel like if trump wins and pushes for an indefinite ban on (Muslim) immigration from the Middle East and succeeds (doubtful), it'll create more chance of domestic terrorism by American born Muslims

The threat is everywhere and trump would just provoke the ones born here and already living here

Banning Muslims is not the answer imo

 

WAS going to post something but changed my mind. Some opinions just aren't worth trying to change they are too entrenched. Staying away from this thread is the best idea

EDIT: Just watched Excalibur, Helen Mirren was an absolute stunner and frankly still is quite desirable.