Fuck I've missed some good exchanges.. where to start? Note 1) leaving aside @rube bent on Israel.. I'll come back to that.. maybe. Not sure that there is much if any to gain Note 2) leaving aside @LAdiablo bent on sexuality.. too many views to address cleanly cuz he's been a perv for longer than I've known him. And that is a long time. Also not claiming not to be a perv myself.. it's just off topic ATM. Let's start with the issue of Trumps Wall.. because in my head I think that there is common ground. May I respectfully call out @rube for claiming that walls do not work. Fact: they do. Even the Great Wall of China served successfully for centuries to regulate entrance and control flow. Hadrian's Wall too. What else is required? I've traveled to over 30 countries now and ALL have demarcated borders.. except the USA. Why? ZERO humans I've met in my life argue for open borders while removing their own front and back doors. Thus 100% of open border proponents are hypocrites. 100%. Now I'm open to learning that @rube has taken all of his doors off their hinges and burned them... but I'm not ever going to see that so future arguments in support of open borders will be run through the 'hypocrite' filter before considering those opinions. Next So true again. This highlights how ALL of the Democrats and Republicans are hypocrites (news flash= water is wet) because NONE of THEIR ancestors were told to leave and not try again for 10 years. This 'shared' policy is broken and neither side cares because it's all about pandering to the perceived votes. Completely two faced. Our ancestors, mine German and Irish, were permitted entrance at once upon arrival, given a tax ID# and let in freely and told to play by the American rules. What changed? Corruption in DC, nothing else. It accomplishes that cessation of a huge gray economy which is far more money than the cost of a wall. When you let 'new' people play by fair rules they tend to do so because 'that' is human nature. When you yank them around with no solution in sight they tend to play fast and loose.. which is where we stand today. You'd do the same if you were kept out of the greatest country in the world. Claim otherwise only after leaving the USA. Thank you. This is also a truth that I get slammed for. Umm by you, too if I recall. Now blast me again as being a Libtard or whatever while claiming taxation is illegal. Both sides hate the Centrist with equal fury. Not sure that I completely agree.. except with the first and final sentences.