DODGERS Puig. To trade him or not to trade him

Dude,

sorry... short term memory loss kicking in again..

<not going to take the effort to dig up any given post>

but when he was hitting .340+ for a long time and scorching anything near the plate we were ALL his fans

now the pitchers have a book on him and he's not yet shown himself to be smart enough to out think them and get his pitch to hit



but he still has the tools
below the ears

 

He is too stupid to hit the cutoff man on a regular basis. I have no need for stupid players that are obviously getting worse as their career goes on. If I can get that missing elite pitcher(s)...I trade him.
He might just be off the roids is all.

Also if other players are not getting along with him of he can't function without Hanley and Uribe....bye bye.

 

Well hell the fuck hello Fordie!!

Yeah I'm OK with eliminating head cases but still not so many come through doing what Puig did

but I'm OK sending him to winter ball to learn more

that being possible and all

 

He lives!!!!!!!!!!!! :welcome:

 

Puig is the prototypical 5 tool, god-given talented, ball player with a 2 cent head. Tantalizing what he could do, and utterly perplexing why he wastes it.

He could be Raul Mondesi or a Mike Trout, but he's trending Mondesi and it's kinda worrisome.

His constant baserunning gaffes.....his lazy and I mean LAZY approach to at-bats....unwillingness to adjust to pitchers and situations....missing cut off men.....right field misjudgments....he seems to be gaining weight, and it doesnt look like muscle either.....Frustrating. But when it clicks, it clicks. Just not seeing it clicking as much as before.

I dont know if you are noticing the same thing I am seeing, but when he's batting, I dont think he gives a fuck about the at bats....meaning he doesnt think through the situation, the pitcher, what he's been throwing....he's just going to swing away and hack. Trying to hit for both power and average takes work along with the physical ability, and I just dont think he gives a crap....too much work.

Its a long way for me to say that for the first time, that at this point, if Puig is showing no plate discipline and cant hit or wont hit for power anymore.....just go for a stable, high average leadoff guy, with less hype and less baggage and cheaper, plus a SP in a trade for Puig.

 

Walter publicly praised him but then again, he said extending HanRam was a priority too. Irrespective of that, we gotta see how he acts when his big bro Olivera gets here....

 

Sometimes its best to trade players when the perception of a tantalizing future is still there, before its proven wrong. Yes, it comes at the risk of being wrong on the other end....but thats the nature of all trades right?

Dont get me wrong, the last thing I want is a Pedro Martinez for Delino Desheilds fiasco. But like I said, I'm seeing too much Mondesi in him, and yes with the benefit of hindsight, I would have traded Mondesi at the first sign of his Mondesi-ness for the right, less glamorous parts, rather than wait for an uptick moment, which by the way, never came.

The window on thus team is tight and small. Gonzo isnt getting younger. Crawford and Ethier are as good as done, Rollins was a mistake, and everyone is on eggshells hoping Greinke and Kershaw can keep performing miracles for us. Once that window shuts, we're on the "wait for the young guys mode" meaning we hope a bunch of Puigs have what it really takes.

Thats a big risk when you paid hundreds of millions to get guys like Gonzo and Crawford to begin with.

If I see anything, and dear god it pains me to say this, the Giants have proven over the past 5 years that it takes Smart players that dont waste at-bats, and makes each swing count, that plays solid defense, and runs the bases well, backed by strong pitching that wins World Series, not 1 flashy player.

They've won with players like Posey, Peavey, Hudson, Lincecum (being a reliever and SP), Pence, Pagan, Crawford, ....great, stable (in the baseball sense), reliable players.

We also forget our last World Series was won with essentially the same formula.

 

^^^^Good post. The paragraph about the window on certain players hit home with me and IMO, very inciteful. And so true.
You always get the "what he did when he came up" stats by Puig's supporters, and maybe that's fair and the way it should be...but for what I see out there every day (now that he's playing every game), is a guy that rakes at best ( and a diluted version of what it used to be from him at that) for a week, and then really sucks for about a month or so. And sorry...unless it's a gapper or a stung grounder, there's very little power from him. Forget HRs.
His lack of any consistency AB is very troubling.
His D flubs don't bother me much; he is capable of things no one else in BB is in the field as a balance.
But I just don't see him coming through offensively and not a clutch guy at all.
We'll see...maybe it will all turn around suddenly for him...he does have the ammunition physically, for sure.
Mentally, yo no se...

 

I hear you and I don't necessarily disagree, but...I think you might not see the big picture regarding this:

I have no qualms about a "window" with this team because the GuggenGods have demonstrated that they have no problem pulling the plug on a contract making a deal that impacts the bottom line financially. Gonzo aging? Fine, trade for another guy. Crawford and Either done? Well, for starters there's Puig, Joc, Guerrero, and Scott Schebler...sooner or later there's Verdugo. Not good enough? Fuck it, make a deal.

I don't think anyone is on eggshells worried about Kershaw, it's about Grienke and his option. Well, we're already looking for a pick up for a #3 this year (which could possibly be good enough to be a #2 next year), and if I'm the GG's, I'm thinking forward at the same time...so picking up another SP isn't beyond belief. And then you have the strong prospects coming forward after that- Urias, Holmes, De Leon, Anderson, etc.

Wait for the young guys mode? Not really. We have older 'young guys' ready to go in Olivera, Kendrick, and Guerrero-and yes, we can depend on the GG's to get a deal done if necessary.

I don't think there is a 'window' for this team. I think there is a patio door, open to the breezes...

 

Fine, maybe not a dog door type of window, but it's a window and not a French Door.

Still doesn't mean I wouldn't trade Puig if we got the right parts. We have the potential now......but what you are saying is that we have the ability to rebuild or switch and replace....but that also mean having these guys play together as a unit again. That takes time. Meanwhile your best hitter might be hitting 40.

To me, there is a sense of urgency, the core of the team has pretty much been together for the past 5 years.....we're not that far from potentially having to pull the plug on this core.

 

yeah to say their is a small window with this organization is ridiculous

they have the biggest window of any organization in baseball with their young talent and resources, they can stay competitive as long as the check book is open, which could be a long time.

 

Shit! I'd trade any and all of these fuckers if it'll get us a World Series Win.

 

Money is not an unlimited commodity. If you think it is, who's the one being naive. All organizations reach the point where that incremental dollar spent is not worth the return, and if you checked, guys like Friedman were not hired to just spend and spend and spend. The spigot you claim to exist has a finite amount of cash. I think you know that too.

Even the Yankees have decided to pull back.

 

Yeah the "elite" ."competitive" status seems to be what the prize is now...we've been that way for quite a while. Even during the dreaded McCourt reign...and before. Nothing new...even without the genius FO we had it. Yawn....
It's been failure after failure, yet people are comfortable with "the future".
Sad...and boring as fuck.
Mattingly is perfect for that mind set.
It's all good, watching the others in the WS.
Something to shoot for...

 

Yeah, I don't know how anyone could say the window is closing on the Dodgers.

I could maybe see if they had done some dumb shit like allowing Kemp and Hanley to stay.

 

Joc, Puig, Seager, Olivera and Grandal are more than likely 5 of the 7 or 8 most valuable bats on the team in 2016 and are all under control for 3+ years. No way the window is closing, if anything this year is the transitional year to get us to that core.

 

"I’d rather win with what you might determine to be bad chemistry than lose with what you determine to be good chemistry." - unnamed NL exec.

 

It's Southern California where the weather is perfect 365. I don't see any windows closing for a long long time.