Tales from the Hard Rock, Vol. 4: Calling time at the poker table

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  1. sportschump

    sportschump Well-Known Member SportsChump.net

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    Few things set me off when I’m in the poker room.

    I’m a grinder, a patient man.

    For hours on end, I can sit at the table, read my opponents, play only playable hands and know exactly when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. That’s just how I learned to play the game. It’s done me well over the years.

    But something happened not long ago that put me on tilt more than ever before.



    Please allow me to explain.



    More at: http://sportschump.net/2013/11/13/t...-vol-4-calling-time-at-the-poker-table/12485/
     
  2. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    i've always thought only people in the hand could call time
    think you're right about a more experienced dealer -- he could (and should) have taken control of the situation, instead of being bullied...
    still chumpie (and i know you've played long enough where i don't have to tell you)... you should never, ever, let your emotions rule your decision making -- but i also understand that's sometimes easier said than done, and we've all made emotional decisions at a poker table
    still -- all that being said -- imo, laying your hand down was absolutely the right call
    only thing worse than being shown his bluff would have been being one the wrong side the one time he actually had something
    the best way to get back at an idiot like that is (and again, i know i don't have to tell you)... to wait for a monster hand and use his over-aggressiveness against him
    had a similar situation not long ago -- 9 person, single table sit & go tourney/game. this one guy keeps betting big -- sometimes even going all-in -- pre flop. the two times he got called he had -- and i'm not exaggerating -- 9-10 unsuited and A-6. and of course both times he won. so i waited. even folded a couple of playable hands knowing it would cost me just to see a flop. finally, on the button, 7 players left, i get pocket jacks. he bets into me for about a quarter of my stack, i call. flop comes A-7-J. he makes a similar bet, i call. turn is a 3. he ask me how much i have left, then does the same bet (roughly half my stack). i call (and i should point out that at no time did i posture or deliberate). river's the 4th jack. he pushes me all in, i snap call.
    he actually had two pairs A-7. but what's most amazing is his reaction -- he starts going off on how he can't play with people who won't fold. someone starts to explain that i had him beat the whole way, but then thinks better of it and stops. the guy still has a hefty chip lead, but goes full tilt -- making stupid calls and eventually get's bounced… in 7th.
    the funny thing is i'm sure this guy still actually thinks i made a donkey play on him
    i really -- really -- hope i see him again
     
  3. TAFNAC

    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    That's a tough call, even against someone who's betting wildly. I would have folded too.

    And WTF? I've played a fair amount of poker and never actually had anyone call time.
    Sounds like someone needs to be asked to step outside and kindly told to shut the fuck up.
     
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    sportschump Well-Known Member SportsChump.net

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    Exactly, guys.

    I probably should have been more vocal, to the dealer and not to the pipsqueak but I had a few in me.

    Hey, next time it happens, I can at least act like I've been there before.
     
  5. carolinabluedodger

    carolinabluedodger DSP Legend

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    There is no worse feeling IMO than being faced with calling a large bet with a low card flush. With me, it seems I get in that situation after a long, long, stretch of nothing hands. Almost desperate for a win but knowing one random card can put you on the sideline.
     
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    sportschump Well-Known Member SportsChump.net

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    Yea, Carolina.

    I probably shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place. It was all my fault, then compounded by the time call.

    I was just hoping to set a trap but when I got called (or rather raised) on it, I shut up instead of putting up.
     
  7. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    so many things contribute to decision making
    and even then, they're still sometimes dead wrong
    position is a huge factor imo
    i'll often fold a good/decent hand if i'm first up for fear of getting trapped into a re-raise -- especially if i'm short stacked
    but if i'm on the button i'll sometimes raise with rags
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Yeah Irish is right about position... I see myself playing differently when I'm on the button vs just behind it.

    We've got a good little neighborhood game and there is a spread of talent with some guys easier to read than others. There is one guy, EE, who is fairly astute at reading people more than cards and he's also pretty fair at the cards. My issue is that he has a knack for calling out what someone else has in the hole.

    He'll fold out of a hand and then announce to the others still in the pot that I'm sitting on a pair of 7's when there is another 7 showing... and I am. ???!!?? Or say I've got pocket Jacks when I've got them. I have no clue how he does it, but he's right on the money far more often than you'd think. And the more often it happens it's hard not to get pissed off.

    In my head he does this more to me than the others. Why? maybe I'm one of the few who beat him regularly so he's hyper focused on my 'tells'? No clue. But it seems like he's trying to give the other 'lesser' players a better read on what I'm doing.

    I routinely tell him to shut the fuck up if he's folded already but he just grins and does it again. He also likes to bet big early, sometimes with multiple raises pre flop, and then gets people to commit to more than they want to bet and then he folds. Dick.


    Overall it's a very friendly game of guys who have been good neighbors for decades, but I don't get how this guy always seems to know my hole cards. I've been playing enough years that my Poker Face is pretty steady. Maybe he's seen my betting patterns so many times now that he's just developed a gut feel.

    No clue...
     
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    sportschump Well-Known Member SportsChump.net

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    Yeah, Irish, I was sitting to the guy's right so I was definitely out of position, not to mention his stack clearly out-piled mine.

    And Tree, I hate when people get a read on me, which has also happened. Although I generally turn that to my advantage by drastically switching up my style of play, and then making it known.

    With every obstacle comes opportunity, right?
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    heard a great quote from doyle brunson years ago
    "hold em... takes 10 minutes to learn, but 10 years to be any good at."
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    There's a really interesting part of one of Malcom Gladwell's books that reinforces this.
    To be truly excellent any relatively complex task requires 10 years.

    I've found that with hold 'em the mechanics of the game and computing odds for outs and pot odds took me a few weeks to figure out.
    Learning to read opponents and putting them on hands with any degree of reliability has taken years...and I still suck at it.
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    yeah reading opponents is way more of a challenge
    and more fun too

    And back to my nemesis, I start each night saying that I'd rather lose a pot than let this guy bluff me out of one that was mine

    So far so good...
     
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    sportschump Well-Known Member SportsChump.net

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    I guess I've got a few more years then.
     

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