DODGERS The FRONT OFFICE (NERDS) Thread

Settle down there veruca salt

 

Why? When you can wait 'till next year?
"Now" is not all that great....over rated, big time.
It's not that goo...

 

except he's not.

 

Price 's WHIP and FIP have been better than Greinke's the last two years. Zimmermann's WHIP has been better than Greinke's the last 2 years with his FIP being better than Greinke's last year.

if Greinke opts to go on the market and look around, the Dodgers have the right to go out on the market and look for younger, similarly effective models to replace him. all the numbers say that the younger guys are just as good, if not better.

 

and if i were the LAD i'd draw up another Greinke-like contract and hope that Price, Zimmermann, or Cueto opt out after 3 years and leave too. wash, rinse, repeat..keep it movin like a carousel with the 28-30yr old group of high caliber signings and hop off the ride when they start aging.

sounds harsh, but hey..that's business. let somebody else pay for the lean/old man years.

 

I like Greinke a lot, but you have to go with a younger pitcher because older pitcher just breakdown and are RARELY worth it.

 

look at Verlander. fuck that. if Greinke is different and keeps goin strong, more power to him..i'd still bet on the younger horse.

 

i wouldn't be disappointed, but maybe Price or another guy could come in and serve well against division foes as well. but it's interesting to me because the front office has been picking up all these extra draft picks..maybe they'll be a little more willing to give up a draft pick and go after a Price/Cueto/Zimm this winter..all of whom may get qualifying offers. that's a little more of the flexibility the nerds have created.

yup. business both ways

 

I get all the Zack love, and I love him long time, too. But I don't love paying the last 3-4 years of his deal at 24-28 mil/per when he could be (a) declining, (b) on he DL, or (c) comatose.

 

or he could be like the mad dog and be a something like a wizard till his final inning.
guys who have the brains seem to be able to PITCH for ages. zach isnt a thrower. yes hes got gas, but dude is a pitcher. i think can be good till hes 40

 

wasnt singling you out on that btw

 

If Greinke opts out he's gone.

 

I definitely agree with the crowd who is saying they don't want to give him a new long length contract into his mid 30's, but I do think he is the best pitcher *now* that is going to be on the market this upcoming season. Not to say I wouldn't prefer somebody younger.

 

I just looked at the upcoming FA class and all of the top pitchers (Price, Cueto, Zimmerman, and Greinke) are all going to be at least 30 years of age when next season rolls around. I feel like if we lost Greinke and the FO doesn't want to pony up the contract to one of these guys, I could see them going after a Sonny Gray type via trade.

 

I get the age scree but that wasn't my central point

"Greinke is as good or better than anyone else available" and he's here now. Keep him. Some advanced stats show some pitchers are in his league, OK good, then acquire them too. Go get Cueto AND keep Greinke.

He's a Cy Young winner who is currently 5-0 with a 1.56 ERA... so what exactly is the problem with having him on our staff?

You guys seem to just like frothing about losing our 2nd best pitcher? And speculating on losing Greinke while #1 Clayton is still getting into season winning form and while #3 Ryu is out another couple months? The grass is not always greener just because it's outside the fence.

I have stated previously that there is no reason not to have 4 Cy Young winners on our staff. Chasing one away makes no sense.

Most importantly DO NOT lose talent because of purse strings, that is so much a last owner problem

 

Monster spin right there, dude. Greinke's currently making 24M a year. If he chooses to opt out and chase more money, that's hardly considered " chasing him away ". I mean you are aware that you're asking the Dodgers to keep a guy that's already under contract, right?

At the end of the day, Greinke has to do what he has to do for himself and the Dodgers have to do what they have to do for the Dodgers. That's the name of the game. Whatever the Dodgers decide to do, I'm sure it'll be met with skepticism..and if the results are consistent with what's gone on thus far this season, that skepticism will wither as well.

If finishing out his career with the Dodgers is meant to be, it'll be. But if it's not meant to be..right now the team's lookin pretty good without Kemp, without Hanley, without Puig, without Ryu, without Kenley, without Seager, without Olivera, and without Kershaw being at peak performance. Now, Greinke's obviously been a part of the positive results thus far, but he could also join that particular list of guys who are now watching the Dodgers play very well in their absence. I mean Greinke is great, but let's not act like he's Clint Eastwood in an old western film and shit. The show goes on without his ass if it comes to it.

 

had to come give props to grandal. he seems to have come out of his slump recently. still hate the trade but at least hes coming through recently