DODGERS The TWC/SPECTRUM NIGHTMARE Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by THINKBLUE, Mar 27, 2014.

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When will deals strike with other providers?

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  2. 10 games into season

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  3. 20 games into season

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  4. 30+ Games into season

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  5. Never

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  1. CapnTreee

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    Ah yeah and instead of reducing the gouge amount demanded for SportsNOT4LA instead Time Warner spends millions opposing Net Neutrality to shut down the work arounds. Bunch of pricks...

    Clearly their corporate heads are firmly inserted up that asses and they could care less about losing a few Dodger viewers
     
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  2. TuborgP

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    As these work a rounds spread it just diminishes the value of the contract as folks can see the games a
    Ummmm since the deal is bleeding money for TW right now they might feel a need to get things done.
     
  3. TuborgP

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    A man who appreciates more than just I want my baseball. This is becoming more and more complicated. It is for sure a horrific deal and contract signed just as a new era in media is becoming more broadly accepted.
     
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    you think TW is hurting for money right now?
     
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    Yeah, the Dodgers aren't going to kill TW. It sucks we can't watch, but this deal isn't going to sink them.
     
  6. TuborgP

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    You might appreciate the following as it is on topic for the implications of future network contracts vs video streaming.
    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/12/Long-Slow-Death-Cable-Just-Reached-Tipping-Point
    Sony, Vox Media and Showtime all announced on Wednesday that they would be joining the rush to provide streaming video on demand in some fashion or another. Their moves follow HBO’s announcement this week that it will finally launch its standalone HBO Now video streaming service in an exclusive partnership with Apple — for the first time, allowing customers to watch HBO shows without paying for a traditional cable package.

    Make no mistake, the scales have tipped. Even old school media heads have ceded that streaming is the future of video. “Clearly the bundle is changing. The days of the 500-channel universe are over,” CBS chief Les Moonves said Wednesday at an investor conference. “The days of the 150-channel universe in the home are not necessarily over but they’re changing rapidly. People are slicing it and dicing it in different ways.”
    The above is from the link

    I can see games everywhere with the MLB package and streaming media. See it on my big screen or another home without Directv so why do I need their package or them to have a contract with TW. The FCC is moving in a different direction who knows what will become considered restraint of trade or blocking if black outs are considered. Think about it. Why are games blocked out in a specific home town area for subscribers to the MLB streaming package. Isn't blocking the cable pipeline what the FCC is so worried about?How will all of this fall into their new concept of net neutrality?
    Do those who have paid for the MLB internet service have full access to receive the service they have paid for? Has that right of access been negotiated away by a provider seeking money for their feed and blocking someone else's? Has there been collusion on the part of multiple parties to block internet access for soon to be questionable reasons? Stay tuned hopefully a law suit or filing to the FCC will be coming soon. MLB and other clubs may want this settled real soon and avoid the potential impact on future and current contracts. Simply are regional sport black outs of internet feeds going to be legal under the new net neutrality guidelines.
     
  7. BlueMouse

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    It's not collusion, it's for fully transparent reasons. mlb.tv is a subsidiary money-making venture, and not the bread and butter of MLB business - local television contracts are the bread and butter. MLB would get rid of mlb.tv before they compete with local television.
     
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    Then depending on a complaint being filed and how the FCC reacts they
    May need to do that's. Did you read the article and the changing role of cable b streaming. What will be the future use of the current contracts that are cable based and currently signed. The FCC has opened a door of uncertainty and probable regulatory change
     
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    Streaming will hurt the game. Even if (and we are 20 years off at least anyways) baseball were to cash in on streaming the same way they do with these RSN cable deals, the lack of fans coming in from channel surfing will catch up big time. We've already lost the terrestrial signal. The more and more the game moves to team specific mediums that are geared towards die hards rather than the common viewer, the game will be less popular.
     
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    Yup, lots of moving parts and as with so many other things increasing uncertainty which is a horrible business climate.
     
  11. BlueMouse

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    I read the article about companies switching to streaming, but I didn't see anything about the FCC's role in it. I was just saying mlb.tv can't compete with local sports contracts. Far more money is made on the local sports side, not to mention it would probably breach every single local contract. If MLB can't block content based on location they would either kill mlb.tv or they'd have to rework the entire system to please local contracts (i.e. dodgers.tv for $125/mo with most of that going to TW).

    What is the FCC's current involvement in all this?
     
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    Net Neutrality and the Internet pipline that delivers much of it. Also the TW/Comcast merger which they have yet to decide on. Wheeler the FCC chair has commented on our TV contract and several local politicians have asked them to become involved. The FCC has stated their wish to have it resolved but deferred for now pending the parties resolving it. Now with the Net Neutrality ruling and the coming litigation who knows what type 2 utilility status will gave on the industry.
     
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    You are probably aware of the history of the FCC in all of this. I am mindful of a year ago and many of the links are from then:
    https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=chr-greentree_gc&ei=utf-8&ilc=12&type=219247&p=fcc tom wheeler dodger tv contract
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...et-ct-dodgers-fcc-wheeler-20140729-story.html
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cable-open-to-arbitration-in-dodgers-tv-fight
    July 29 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler told Time Warner Cable Inc. “inaction is no longer acceptable” in a fee dispute that’s kept Dodgers baseball games from Los Angeles pay-TV customers.

    Wheeler in a letter today asked Time Warner Cable Chief Executive Officer Rob Marcus to submit documents including contracts in a dispute that has blacked out games for customers of DirecTV and other pay-TV carriers that don’t have a deal.

    “Your actions appear to have created the inability of consumers in the Los Angeles area to watch televised games of the Los Angeles Dodgers,” Wheeler said in the letter released by the FCC.

    Time Warner still has internal pressures from this not getting resolved. Has much changed in the last year? Come time to report 2nd quarter results again.
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...time-warner-cable-dodgers-20140801-story.html


    Wheeler has shown he is clearly a activist FCC chair with two additional members aligned behind him. He is openly consumer friendly and we are approaching one year deadlines from comments to get it done.

    Hopefully there are secret negotiations and we will wake up one day and it will be resolved. But come opening day and if no contract and no free tv broadcast, I suspect local and state politicians will become quite vocal.
     
  14. irish

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    Time Warner Cable in Talks to Withdraw Dodger Blackout
    By Zacks Equity Research — 1 hour ago

    Time Warner Cable Inc. TWC, the second largest cable multi service operator (MSO) in the U.S., has started negotiations with other pay-TV suppliers in Los Angeles to withdraw the Dodger blackout. SportsNet LA airs all the matches of the Dodgers Baseball team.

    In 2013, Time Warner Cable had signed a lump-sum deal worth $7 billion with the baseball team, Los Angeles Dodgers. The cable giant acquired the distribution rights for the next 25 years and thus all the Dodgers games of will now be aired on SportsNet LA. The channel is jointly owned by Time Warner Cable and the Los Angeles Dodgers Major League Baseball team. Hence, we believe that the company will hike its rates for other pay-TV operators in order to recover the substantial amount invested.

    Dodgers’ SportsNet LA had been unavailable to most of the cable TV market for more than a year. The company’s negotiation with other pay-TV subscribers is still at a preliminary stage. However, Time Warner Cable thinks that a fee of $4.90 per customer is a reasonable one to carry Dodgers’ SportsNet LA.

    Last year, DIRECTV DTV and Dish Network Corp. DISH failed to reach an agreement with Time Warner Cable over the distribution of the regional SportsNet LA channel. We believe that if Time Warner Cable manages to negotiate with other pay-TV subscribers then this will drive the company’s revenue higher. In the fourth quarter of 2014, the company’s revenues came in at $5,790 million, below the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $5,805 million, but increased 3.8% year over year.

    Time Warner Cable currently carries a Zacks Rank #3 (Hold).​
     
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    what blackout?
     
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    "Talks are preliminary but people with knowledge of the discussions say New York-based Time Warner Cable isn't lowering its demand that cable-TV and satellite distributors pay just shy of $5 a month per subscriber to carry the Dodgers' SportsNet LA. The cost of carrying the games remains the largest stumbling block to a compromise, according to two people with knowledge of the talks. "

    From original source 20 hours ago.

    Nothing has changed.
     
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    Why is the thread locked? Too depressed to talk about it anymore?
     
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    ah shit, must have happened when i combined the threads
     

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