Trade for Garza?

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  1. DBurchHero

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    Rumor: Yankees involved in talks for Garza

    Posted on December 30, 2011 by Rob Abruzzese
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    The Cubs have dangled Matt Garza on the trade block all offseason, but with other starters like Gio Gonzalez and John Danks now unavailable, it makes it likely that teams will get more aggressive in their talks with the Cubs.
    As expected, talks are heating up and the Yankees are said to be involved in talks for the righty, according to David Kaplan of Comcast Sportsnet Chicago. The Blue Jays and Red Sox are also thought to be involved.
    The Yankees have liked Garza for over a year now, but have been hesitant to part with a significant package to land him. They probably still wouldn’t include at least two of their top three prospects, but they certainly might include one and could have an increasing urgency to include better secondary prospects with more and more pitchers becoming unavailable.
    This is really going to come down to price here. The Mat Latos and Gonzalez deals fetched one heck of a haul. The price for Garza will have to be at least slightly less for them to be serious players. Keep checking back here as we will continue to monitor trade talks.
     
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    By Zach Links [December 30, 2011 at 5:45pm CST]
    The Tigers have emerged as a suitor for Cubs starter Matt Garza, according to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com. The increased interest in Garza from multiple teams seems to indicate that the right-hander will be dealt before the start of Spring Training.
    The Yankees are also known to be interested in Garza but according to one source, they are not currently engaged due to the Cubs’ asking price. Garza’s rising salary could also be an issue for the Bombers as they approach the luxury-tax barrier. The hurler projects to earn $8.7MM in 2012 with another year of arbitration afterwards.
    Boston and Toronto have also been connected to Garza but sources say that there hasn't been much momentum towards a deal for either team. It’s also unclear if the Red Sox have the prospects to land Garza after dealing minor league depth to acquire Andrew Bailey andMark Melancon.
    Cubs GM Theo Epstein recently said that Garza is the type of pitcher that he would like to build around, but as the club looks to rebuild he'll listen on everyone.
     
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    Could you imagine if the Tigers got Garza on top of everything else that they already have?
     
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    Gotta figure Boston's out of the mix so, if we really are interested, it'd be between us, Toronto, and Detroit.

    I would have to believe, based on everything I've read, if we really want him then no one can put a package in place to trump ours. He may cost us Noesi but I suppose it's worth it...
     
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    Its worth it with an extension sure. As a rental he isnt worth much more then a package that includes one or two of Phelps , Warren, and Mitchell imo
     
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    So would it be better to trade for him without an extension involved which would mean a lesser package, or trade for him with an extension involved which would take a larger package? I'd say trade for him without an extension, because I like our chances of being able to re-sign him anyway. Although an extension would be cheaper than waiting til after the season, saving prospects seems like a better play. Especially for a team that can handle paying a bit more.
     
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    The thing is we're "screwed" if we trade for him and he doesnt re sign with us. All of our close to MLB ready prospects besides the Killer B's would be gone because we traded them for Garza.
     
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    I'd like to see what it would take with an extension and without one. Because even if that lesser package had a couple of good prospects in it, if the Yankees are led by CC and Matt to a World Series win it would be worth it.
     
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    This essentially makes Nova a #3... I like it. As long as im keeping Killer B's , Montero, and Mason Williams I am down for this trade.
     
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    I'd be okay without Betances, as from what I hear Banuelos is at a higher level than Dellin is. Not that Dellin is crap, but Manny is more valuable to me and therefore I don't like putting them together with terms like the "Killer Bs".
     
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    Ive got a man crush on both of the Killer B's. I guess its the fan in me that wants to see the New York born kid who said "fuck you" to the draft and said he would only sign with New York and worked through injury and such in the New York systems come up and successful in New York... but yeah if I had to choose a Killer B id choose Manny B. He is a starter, a lefty, and seems to be the better fit long term.
     
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    Rumor: Yankees don’t like Garza’s price tag
    Posted on December 31, 2011 by Rob Abruzzese
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    It’s funny because I wrote nearly the same article the last time Matt Garza was traded – the Yankees were interested, but didn’t like his price tag.

    This time they are once again interested in dealing for Garza, but they aren’t currently engaged in talks because they don’t like the Cubs asking price and the fact that his salary is becoming more significant, according to Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports. He is expected to earn about $8 million this season and even more in 2013, the final year before he is a free agent.

    We’ve seen this before from the Yankees. Brian Cashman is willing to deal prospects as long as the player is cost controlled for a few years. We saw that when it came to Curtis Granderson. But like we saw with CC Sabathia, he would rather not pay in both prospects and dollars.

    The Yankees have also been very reluctant to deal their prospects this offseason as they are trying to cut payroll. They were never seriously engaged in talks with Gio Gonzalez or John Danks and those are both pitchers who have had more potential and better seasons than Garza.

    It’s not that Garza is a bad pitcher, but he is certainly no clear cut front of the rotation type. His 3.32 ERA, 9.0 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 were impressive last season, but those are all better numbers than he ever put up in the American League and his 109 ERA+ is not something I’d like to see the Yankees give up top prospects for.

    I will continue to follow the Garza rumors, but this is not something that looks very promising from the outset. Cubs president Theo Epstein is probably very familiar with the Yankees farm system, maybe he’ll surprise the Yankees by asking for somebody they don’t value as highly as he does.
     
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    By Zach Links [December 31 at 3:25pm CST]
    The Marlins have serious interest in Cubs pitcher Matt Garza, Major League sources tell Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Marlins' interest was sparked after they failed to land left-hander Gio Gonzalez from the Athletics.
    The two sides are not close to a deal and the Cubs continue to speak to other clubs,including the Tigers, according to sources. The Yankees have also expressed interest in Garza, but the asking price for the 28-year-old is a stumbling block for the Bombers. The Red Sox and Blue Jays are also in on the pitcher but talks have slowed with both teams.
    Rosenthal writes that the Tigers might have the upper hand if they are willing to include right-hander Jacob Turner in a deal. Rival executives say the Cubs are desperate for young starting pitching. Meanwhile, the Marlins have more position players to offer.
    Marlins' Class-A outfielder Christian Yelich is likely on the Cubs' wish list and was among the players the Athletics were targeting in a possible deal for Gonzalez. Rival clubs say Matt Dominguez, Gaby Sanchez, Chris Coghlan, and Jose Ceda are among the other players Miami is willing to part with.
     
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    You might have missed this amongst the year end celebrations yesterday, but ESPNs Buster Olney tweeted a significant piece of news in the Matt Garza derby. He wrote:
    @Buster_ESPN Buster Olney​
    Tigers have made it known to other teams that they are willing to trade Jacob Turner in a deal for the right pitcher. That’s a big piece.​
    16 hours ago via web​
    This is significant for a few reasons. First, its coming from the Tigers, not some Chicago-linked source who could be floating trial balloons to drive up the price. Next, if you’re not familiar with Jacob Turner, you should be. He’s the best pitching prospect in the Tigers system, was ranked #26 overall in 2010 and #21 last year by Baseball America, and he had a cup of coffee with the MLB club at the end of the season last year. So total that all up. He’s closer to the big leagues than either Banuelos or Betances and ranked higher twice than either of them has ever been.
    This is not to say that the Yanks are out of the bidding by any means, and may be a necessary move for the Tigers to become serious players for Garza. After Turner, their farm system thins out dramatically. He was the only Tigers player on the BA mid season Top 50 list, where he was ranked #11. (BTW-Montero was #8, Banuelos #13 and Betances #26). But if you had any notion of getting Garza without giving up one of Montero or Banuelos, that’s no longer happening. As I detailed earlier this month, the Cubs need a 1B and have multiple holes in their rotation, a package where you give them Montero as a 1B and a few MLB ready AAA pitchers (Warren/Phelps/Noesi) could still easily beat the Tigers. Whether you want to give up a Montero for a #2 starter is something else to consider as well.
    Personally, I think its a smart move by the Tigers and is the kind of move a win-now team should make. One could only hope Turner eventually becomes a pitcher like Garza, who represents a ready made best case scenario for Turner or Banuelos. Also, since Garza is under control for 3 more years, he could easily outperform Turner as he climbs the learning curve. In terms of WAR Garza should be expected to give you 10-12 WAR over the next 3 years, while Turner or Baneulos can’t be expected to match that as unproven commodities. For instance, say what you will about the Yankee handling of him, but Joba Chamberlain has amassed 7.9 WAR across 5 seasons (Fangraphs). Phil Hughes has totaled just 7.2 WAR across 6 seasons. Hanging onto prospects isn’t always a smart move, even the no-brainer types. Not if you’re a win-now team. But so far this off season, the Yanks seem to be more interested in getting to a payroll number than they are winning in 2012. But the winter isn’t over yet, so I’ll reserve judgement for now.
     
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    Walk away cashman, walk away.

    Much like our low bid on yu. Set a price you think it's "worth" and when the bidding goes above your price, get out.
     
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    I'd be willing to give either Banuelos OR Betances and some other prospects for Garza. All three would be absurd. Even 2 out of the 3 is too far IMO. Like F Youk says, bid on his value, not against other teams.

    Package #1

    1. Banuelos, Betances, or Noesi (whomever they prefer)
    2. Two people out of Warren, Phelps, DJ Mitchell, any of our lower level pitchers (Marshall, Jose Ramirez, etc.)
    3. Austin Romine

    Package #2

    1. Nick Swisher (They want a first baseman)
    2. Noesi
    3. Two people out of Warren, Phelps, DJ Mitchell, any of our lower level pitchers (Marshall, Jose Ramirez, etc.)
    4. If necessary, Austin Romine.


    This is the HIGHEST I would go for Garza. The thing is, the Cubs probably still wouldn't do the trade.
     
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    I think your second package gets it done. Swisher, Noesi, Warren, Phelps, and Romine is a very, very sweet offering.
     
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    I would obviously prefer package one and it being headlined with Betances.
     
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    For a while there, Gio Gonzalez generated all of the buzz. The Yankees were known to be on the lookout for a starting pitcher, and Gonzalez became the most talked about candidate.
    But Gonzalez has now been traded. So has Mat Latos. And Trevor Cahill. And Jonathan Sanchez. John Danks is off the market since signing his extension.
    The name currently generating all of the buzz seems to be Cubs right hander Matt Garza.
    All the national guys seem to be writing about Garza. ESPN is writing about him. FOX Sports is writing about him. CBS Sports is writing about him. Teams are interested. The Cubs are willing to discuss a deal. Something might happen. That’s the narrative, and naturally, the Yankees are mentioned.
    Here’s the thing: The trade market for starting pitching is pretty well established. Those Latos and Gonzalez deals were massive, and it’s clear that teams can ask for — and receive — huge prospect packages in return for pitchers like Garza. The Yankees haven’t paid that price so far. Would they for Garza?
    It’s certainly an option. Ken Davidoff labeled it the “aggressive” approach to improving the Yankees rotation, but he also noted that the Yankees have become protective of their own prospects, and it would surely require parting with several of them to make such a deal.
    Garza is out there, and we’re probably going to read and hear his name a lot in the next few days and weeks, but for the Yankees to make a move, something will have to change: Either the trade market will have to become more affordable, or the Yankees will have to become willing to pay a higher prospect price.
     
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    Blue Jays Unlikely To Acquire Matt Garza
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 2 at 5:51pm CST]
    The Blue Jays continue exploring ways of improving their rotation, but they’re unlikely to acquire Matt Garza from the Cubs, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Garza is under team control through 2013 and the Blue Jays are wary of trading top prospects for a relatively short-term addition. There doesn't appear to be a leading suitor for the right-hander at the moment, but the Yankees, Tigers, Red Sox and Marlins appear to be in the mix to acquire him.

    The Blue Jays don’t appear to be especially interested in free agent right-handers Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Oswalt and they’re unlikely to pursue Edwin Jackson, Rosenthal reports. Agent Scott Boras seeks a five-year deal for Jackson, but Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos has avoided major free agent expenditures since his hiring more than two years ago.

    Toronto’s projected rotation includes Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow, Brett Cecil and Henderson Alvarez. Dustin McGowan, Carlos Villanueva and Aaron Laffey are others who could compete for a rotation spot in Spring Training. The Blue Jays expect to consider prospects Kyle Drabek, Drew Hutchison, Deck McGuire and Chad Jenkins for promotions in 2012, Rosenthal writes.
     

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