UPDATE: Nationals To Acquire Gio Gonzalez

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    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 16, 2011 at 12:58pm CST]


    No MLB pitcher has walked more opponents in the past two seasons than Gio Gonzalez and he's about to get expensive through arbitration, yet the Athletics are drawing strong interest in the left-hander. In fairness to Gonzalez, he has reached the 200-inning plateau in each of the past two seasons without posting an ERA above 3.23 and capable pitchers aren't easy to find (though Dave Cameron of FanGraphs has an alternative for teams who don't like the asking price on Gonzalez). Here are the latest rumors on Gonzalez:
    • The Tigers are on the "outskirts" of the Gonzalez sweepstakes, tweets ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. They aren't upbeat about their chances of trading for him.
    • The A's would love to get a future third baseman in a deal for Gonzalez, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Rangers prospect Mike Olt is one possibility.
    • The A's continue seeking a huge package for Gonzalez, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.comtweets. Though the Yankees "love" him, they aren't eager to surrender prospects such as Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances.
    • The Rangers, who are pursuing Gonzalez and Andrew Bailey, can be expected to try to trade for Gonzalez or Matt Garza if they don't win the bidding on Yu Darvish,tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
    • ESPN.com's Buster Olney also reports that the Rangers are likely to pursue Gonzalez if they miss out on Darvish. He tweets that 20-year-old left-hander Martin Perez would "almost have to be" in a deal between the A's and Rangers.
    • The market for Gonzalez and John Danks may pick up once the winner in the Darvish bidding is announced and the Rays decide which of their starting pitchers are available,tweets ESPN.com's Jayson Stark.
     
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    The Oakland A's are fucking smoking crack.. god damn
     
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    ^ Dude everyone thinks they're going to rape the Yankees on these trades. They really do. They don't get it. Times have really changed...
     
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    They dont ask other teams for kings ransom like that either.
     
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    It's the old way of doing things. The Yankees have a long history of over-hyping their prospects and Steinbrenner had a history of giving shit away for veterans. Both of those things have changed in a big way.

    It's time the rest of the league caught up or stopped coming to us with trade conversations.
     
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    if im Cashman I just flat out refuse to deal with Billy Beane... period
     
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    I feel like there's a touch of that going on. I get the feeling--from what we read/see--that Cash basically tells these guys, "Look I'm interested in having a trade discussion with you but if you're going to ask for my roster, don't waste my time."
     
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    Cashman does seem, and this is from a guy on the outside looking in, to have this asshole persona going on. Especially when it comes to negotiating trades, free agent contracts, etc. He seems like the guy that would say fuck it, rip up the contract, and walk out of the room like a bad ass bald(ing) guy lol
     
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    BryanV21 Bear-O-Dactyl > Everything

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    That's the way it should be. Cashman has a really good team right now, and doesn't need to do anything to compete. There is absolutely no reason to bend over backwards for anybody.
     
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    Exactly. He's running the team the way they should be run.

    Now, this can only continue as long as they make the playoffs every year. The Yankees, with no post-season, will go right back in to panic mode.
     
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    I wouldn't say for sure they'd go into panic mode, but they shouldn't. What they should do is find out why they didn't go far and fix that.
     
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    I think your referring to the missing of the playoffs and subsequent shopping spree that brought us CC, AJ, Teix, and Swisher. I think that happens with or without the playoffs. Fuck if we won the World Series that year I think we still go out spending money like crazy.. We just had a crazy amount of money coming off the books. Only person I think that gets left of the list if we make the playoffs and/or win the world series is Teix... and im reluctant to even say that
     
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    I'm not. I was making a general statement. If the Yankees don't make the playoffs next season you can bet they will spend huge next off-season. Their business model only works if they're a perennial playoff contender.

    And, to your point, that shopping spree probably still would have happened even if we did win the World Series in 2008 BUT I bet it wouldn't have been to the same degree. I bet we would have signed CC and Tex but not AJ had we make the playoffs. Or CC and AJ but not Tex.
     
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    AJ wanted to be a Yankee, he didnt make that a secret. Teixeira finally replaced the Giambi contract and the revolving door at 1B. CC was a no brainer. Now that I think about it im not sure the offseason changes at all. Oh well, no need in arguing about something that happened like 3 years ago
     
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    Why not? Nothing else to argue about... :)
     
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    By Mike Axisa [December 19 at 3:35pm CST]
    The Athletics have already traded one of their young starting pitchers this offseason, but it wasn't Gio Gonzalez even though his name is popular on the trade rumor circuit. Here's the latest on the 26-year-old left-hander...
    • The Mets are unlikely to pursue Gonzalez according to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News, with one team official saying talks never moved passed the preliminary phase. “Nothing serious,” said the official, with another source saying they are "unlikely" to continue pursuing the southpaw.
    • Martino says the Athletics asked the Yankees for Jesus Montero and top pitching prospects in exchange for Gonzalez when they discussed his availability earlier this winter.
     
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    I fixed the quote with the rest of the post. For some reason you cut it off... ;)
     
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    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 19 at 7:22pm CST]
    The Nationals are pushing hard for Gio Gonzalez, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The A's and Nationals are discussing a possible four-for-one deal involving the left-hander. The Marlins, Red Sox and Rangers are also showing strong interest in Gonzalez, according to Rosenthal.
    The Nationals, who have Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann, John Lannan andChien-Ming Wang in their projected 2012 rotation, are poised to contend before long. The addition of Gonzalez would give manager Davey Johnson someone who has reached the 200 inning plateau in each of the past two season without posting an ERA over 3.23 in that time. However, obtaining him from the A's won't be easy. Gonzalez has many suitors and Oakland'sasking price remains high.
    MLBTR projects a $4.2MM salary for Gonzalez in 2012, the first of his four seasons as an arbitration eligible player. While most teams --the Nationals included -- can stomach a $4.2MM salary for an established, young left-handed starter, the penny-pinching A's won't necessarily be able to afford Gonzalez through 2015 unless they resolve their stadium situation soon.
     
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    By Mike Axisa [December 19, 2011 at 3:35pm CST]
    The Athletics have already traded one of their young starting pitchers this offseason, but it wasn't Gio Gonzalez even though his name is popular on the trade rumor circuit. Here's the latest on the 26-year-old left-hander...
    • The Mets are unlikely to pursue Gonzalez according to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News, with one team official saying talks never moved passed the preliminary phase. “Nothing serious,” said the official, with another source saying they are "unlikely" to continue pursuing the southpaw.
    • Martino says the Athletics asked the Yankees for Jesus Montero and top pitching prospects in exchange for Gonzalez when they discussed his availability earlier this winter.
     
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    ^ the A's are crazy. Beane is just psycho. He really is...
     

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