(3) St. Louis Cardinals vs. (2) Los Angeles Dodgers

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  1. LASports96

    LASports96 DSP Legend

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    again literally not 1 manager would have pitched Jansen in the 7th inning, literally 0 chance of happening, no need to harp about it
     
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    and again..it's not a case of " 7th inning ", it's a case of using Jansen to get out of a tough/high leverage spot late - whenever that is. it could have been literally to come in and get 1 out in the 7th, get us out of that jam and continue on into the 8th. the bottom line is that if he's the only reliever that you can trust, and you pulling Kersh @ around 90 pitches is ideal..then that's just the situation that's presented itself with the entire season on the line.

    you just can't tell me " anything goes " and then not explore using the best you have to get out of that jam. it's pathetic and it's not on line with benching Puig. you wanna be unconventional with Puig, but conventional with Jansen? the mixed signal mastermind that is Donnie Dum Dum. do whatever it takes and be consistent with that approach.
     
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    yeah because every player/personality should be handled the same right?

    We know Puig usually responds well to a benching...and we also know Jansen(like almost every closer) responds poorly to a non-save situation...unless you intended him to pitch 3 innings...which wouldn't surprise me with some of the ideas I've read from you.

    "Anything goes" doesn't mean do stupid or risky shit, and it can be interpreted in many ways. Just because you don't see it the way Don sees it doesn't make it wrong.
     
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    and if there's the real possibility that you're pulling this stunt in the very last game of the season ( because Puig wasn't the only one struggling) where's Puig gonna respond?

    all i ask for is consistency.

    guess what happens if he responds poorly? the same damn thing that happens when you put somebody else in there. you've got nothin to lose at this point, so shoot that bullet.

    what are some of these ideas that throw you for a loop, if you don't mind me asking?

    you're lookin at the rest of your bullpen and there's nothin but bums, so again..where's the risk?

    there's zero chance that anybody..and i mean ANYBODY..would have called going straight to Kenley a stupid move. not when nobody else can be counted on.

    talk about bad ideas..this idea that you're gonna come in here and successfully defend Donnie Dum Dum is a pretty terrible one in itself.
     
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    I blame Ned for the awful BP. Kershaw wouldn't have been in any of those situations if we had half the guys KC's bullpen has.
     
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    Don should've foreseen that Kershaw was going to give up a HR to a left handed hitter that hit .190 vs. lefties on a curveball for the 1st time in his CAREER. He should've had Jansen ready to go and get the last 9 outs.
    What a dumbass manager.

    there ya go guys...do I fit in at DSP now?
     
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    lol fordie :laford:
    i'm one of mattingly biggest h8ers, and even i can't blame him for game 1
    no one could have foreseen kersh melting down like that, no one
    sure he could (perhaps, should) have yanked him sooner, but he was probably like the rest of us... shocked, in disbelief, and certain kersh would pitch out of it
    my only problem is bringing in baez instead of one of the guys you're paying millions to be in that situation
    not that it would have worked out anyway
     
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    I was referring to game 4 buddy. The game in so many think Jansen should've come in in the 7th inning instead of the 8th.
    And as you say..."it wouldn't of worked out in anyway"....which I'm sure Don agreed with. That bullpen was just beyond horrible(except Jansen)
    Just because one of Wilson, League, Howell, etc. make lots of money to do that very job doesn't mean they were a better option than CK who breezed up to that point going just 1 more inning against any Cardinals not named Carpenter.
     
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    nah, i knew what you were referring to
    i was just referring to the mattingly detractors in general
    wasn't saying any of them were a better option than kersh, in fact was saying just the opposite
    but if you're going to replace him, it would have made more sense to bring in someone with experience rather than baez
    and that's where i was saying it quite possibly wouldn't have mattered

    damn dude, i was agreeing with you
    why do you have to be so angry?
     
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    Yeah there's no way Jansen comes into the 7th. They need a bridge to get to him though.
     
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    unfortunately our bridges having some serious structural concerns... :smh:

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    Kershaw just K'd the side and gave up two hits that were almost outs. Like posted, Adams sucked ass vs lefties and how many times has Kershaw given up a HR to a lefty with his curve? It was a fluke incident that seems to occur quite often in St. Louis. Mattingly probably pulls Kershaw in game 1 and 4 if we had a reliable arm in the pen outside of Jansen. Like many of us, Mattingly didn't trust any of those fucking scrubs and put his faith in our best player maintaining the lead for 1 more inning. 3 r HR by Baez game 1, 2 r HR by Howell game 2, and 2 r HR by Elbert game 3. Who do you use? If Jansen comes in to a brand new situation he has never seen before, who do we use later in the game?
     
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    After the 6th inning in each game the score was 6-1 Dodgers, 2-0 Dodgers, 1-1, and 2-0 Dodgers. As angry as I was at Kershaw for "choking", he dominated innings 1-6. This isn't a July start vs San Diego where he can sleepwalk his way through 8 innings or the entire game. Things are intensified in the playoffs, and the approach is more patient with batters trying to work the count. It's a lot more draining, obviously, and our inability to call up anyone from the pen with the slightest trust caused us to put our faith in Kershaw giving us a little bit extra each start and he failed. 6-4, bases loaded 2 outs vs Carpenter, a lefty, who would you trust in that situation more than Kershaw? Same thing with the Adams scenario....it's why my blame for the series is pointed directly at Ned. Howell is the only guy we had any trust in at all besides Jansen this season and he looked tired and shitty in September. Ned's inability to improve the pen or make any positive moves at all cost us the NLDS. Period. I'll be ill to my stomach if he is still GM next season.
     
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    I heard on the radio...it was the 1st HR CK has ever given up vs. a lefty on a curve...THE 1st IN HIS CAREER!
     
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    again that is exactly the case, it is all about the "7th" inning
     
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    now, that makes no sense :laff:
     
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    on 3 days rest with his pitch count either nearing or at 100

    i think i now remember who it was who said the Dodgers' unclutch 1-40 somethin record after the 7th inning was a fluke this year.

    was it a fluke that Kershaw hung a curveball nearing or at 100 pitches, going on 3 days rest? i think not. can you hang a curveball on your 30th pitch? certainly. do the chances of hanging a curveball go up as you tire? damn right.

    these are major league hitters..you hang a curve, there's a good chance it's gettin swatted no matter who your are - no matter who they are.

    you figure that out later. Kersh was at around 100 pitches on 3 days rest..he should've been out of the ball game and the best reliever we have in. if it doesn't work out..at least you shot that bullet and tried. couldn't rely on anybody else anyway.

    if you're willing to bench Puig as a last resort to get somethin goin with the season on the line..you better be willing to use Kenley to try and get us out of a jam early and save our season too.
     
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    and again you don't understand Jansen couldn't pitch in that 7th inning, not hard to figure out
     
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