People pick on me because I'm right and the only way they can counter that is to act like jerks. You guys call what I say outlandish. That's because I'm not afraid to speak the truth and disagree with all of you leemings. For instance, you all think Joc is the second coming. I see him for exactly what he is, a poor hitting average outfielder that should have been dealt long ago to get us Hamells or Price. You guys don't what to face the truth that's right there in front of your eyes! Joc is no better than Mark Reynolds or Mark Trumbo. Joc should change his name to Mark so we could all three the MarKs brothers.
I'm just playing along but claiming to be right and then making that series of statements expecting that all will be taken as Truth... well that is asking a bit. People pick on people because it's fun. No more no less. If you make yourself easy to pick on because of making semi outlandish statements then get along and enjoy the fruits of said statements. Trumbo is a far better hitter than Reynolds (who never hit even .240 after his rookie year, led league in K's 4 consecutive years) and neither of themcan field anywhere near as good as kid Joc. We'd all like Hamels or Price. You're bouncing around man... the truth looks difference from many angles
people do what you allow them to you don't have to react to everything but people here know you do which is why they come after you sometimes it's okay to let things go i agree with lynch; joc needs to shorten his swing, it has to many holes to exploit and i'm sorry, he's not an average outfielder he's a very good outfielder the reynolds and trumbo references are silly but i do like the marKs brothers thing you did for them :golfclap:
this is the proper way to fight back clever and funny but beware... you'll find koufax to be a worthy adversary for this type of stuff
Wake up! Joc is not as good as you and everyone else here thinks he is. I misspoke when I said he was an average outfielder. I meant he was an average player. He is pretty good in the field. But he will never be the hitter you guys think he will be. They can try to change his swing, but he will eventually fall back into all those bad habits that make him a poor hitter. A lot different hitting homeruns in the PCL than it is in the majors. I stand by my comparisons to Trumbo and Reynolds, and that they should have dealt him when they had the chance. He will ever have that trade value again.
you don't give up on a guy with the tools joc has tough to make wholesale changes during the season, but let him work on it during the offseason if he could hit .250 with 20 hr he would be great with the defense he plays gotta give the kid a chance bubba
Minor league tools mean nothing in the majors. And why would it be hard for him to make changes right now? That makes no sense. They need to trade him this offseason before his value drops even more. Offer him to San Diego for Shields, and give the center field job to Guerrero. You immediately improve your rotation, your offense and your defense.
minor swing changes/tweaks are one thing but shortening someone's swing is a huge change and cannot be fixed while playing it's like trying to fix your golf swing while one the course -- it can't happen that's what the practice range in for you keep working at it, burning it in, until it becomes second nature same with baseball batting cages, hitting from tees, soft toss you don't put them back into a game situation until they have it figured out and you don't unload someone with so much potential this early in their career that makes no sense shields is overhyped, overvalued, overrated, overpaid and overused anderson has pitched better than him and is less than half the price and you need to get over your guerrero man crush to even suggest that he would be an improvement over joc is asinine
If Joc is incapable of learning things on the fly than he shouldn't be playing in the major leagues. They have film now. You watch your mistakes and then you correct them. Is that so hard? Batting practice, hitting tees and soft toss are for timing, not to work on your swing mechanics. And you unload all that "potential" because that's all it will ever be. In two years Joc will be about as relevant as Andy Laroach or Andrew Lambo. Anderson has pitched better than Shields? Really??? Last I checked Shields was 12-6 while Anderson was 9-8. No, you guys need to get over your ignorance and Guerrero hatred. Maybe if he were white you would be singing a different tune. Mattingley is from Indiana and is clearly a racist. Especially least with Cubans. He benched Puig last postseason in the most important game of the year, refuses to play Guerrero, and obviously talked the front office into trading Olivera. Pederson, white guy, stays in the lineup despite hitting under .220. Guerrero, hits homeruns at an amazing rate, sits. And you can bet your ass that Rollins and Kendrick will not be given their spots back when there are white guys already there.
Well...I guess you're wrong about the Kendrick thing, Jerry. And if you think a guy with Guerrero's speed can do CF, you need to look at baseball for a few more years.
this statement proves you know nothing about baseball and have obviously never played the game yeah, and we all know that w/l is the barometer for measuring success go look up era and fip and then get back to me yeah, might as well play the race card since you have no other ammo puig was benched because he couldn't make contact guerrero sucks and olivera was a 30-year old rookie that our guys must have determined wasn't as valuable as advertised and good call on kendrick who was in the starting lineup tonight
Even I wouldn't trade joc Is the hype a bit much over him? Sure but he's got talent worth developing. At best you send him down. You can work on things during the season, that's why there are so many minor leagues
The worst thing Joc did this year was come out of the gates lookin like the ghost of Mickey Mantle and shit. Expectations rose and became totally unrealistic.
I was All-League in High School, bitch! I know more about this game than you'll ever know. Win-Loss is a valid barometer for measuring a pitchers success, and it's exactly why Greinke will win the Cy Young this year, not Kershaw. ERA and FIP are redundant stats invented by sabermetric dullards with too much time on their hands. These are the guys you should be picking on for not knowing anything about baseball and never playing the game, not me. Puig was still a difference maker and should have been in the lineup, but Mattingley let his racial hatred blind him of that. Guerrero does not suck, and he'll be a star on whatever team he gets traded to. If Olivera was so bad, then why did they outbid everyone else to sign him? I'm glad Kendrick got the start. Mattingley must hate ex-Phillies more than black people.