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  1. KOUFAX0000

    KOUFAX0000 DSP Legend Damned

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    It arrived today.
     
  2. CapnTreee

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    @Chris and @Codge,

    I place just about as little faith in WAR and FIP as you seem to about every other stat combined. I see 'some' limited value in each but they also each have at their Sabremetric core a sort of nonsense that has to be accepted. Since when is pitching ever truly fielding independent? It isn't. It never was. It's OK to try to make up a stat for it... but it requires one to acknowledge that it's a made up stat. Perhaps worthy of note "IF" it teaches some perspective, however, of it's own it's of negligible value.

    Harvey Haddix? Really? You want to parade out that single game stat as your empirical example? LOL. I was trying to take your comments more seriously than that.

    I call your silliness and raise you one Clayton Kershaw and a 21-3 record with 1.77 ERA = Cy Young and MVP. Now fold your hand before claiming that W/L and ERA mean squat. Again. LOL.


    It's all good. Haren is gone. McCarthy is here. Nothing else matters. We shall see in any event and no need exists for preseason teeth gnashing.



    We now return to our regularly scheduled "Off Topic" bashing of attention whore Kanye fucking West who should be barred from every single awards event for life. Two instances of inflated ego homerism should be enough to ban him. Forever.
     
  3. Based God

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    FIP only pertains to what a pitcher he himself can control
    Walks, strikeouts, homeruns etc
    basically balls not in play for the defense
     
  4. carolinabluedodger

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    You're really going to piss on Harvey Haddix?
    Umm, yeah, I tried to explain that to him. I guess he's more of a crotchety old fart than I am, if that's possible.

    In a nutshell, McCarthy has been better at preventing walks, homeruns, hbp, and creating strikeouts than Haren over the last several years, which are all that matters.
     
  5. chris

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    30 baseball teams disagree with you, but ok :)
     
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    @CapnTreee - what better example do you need that W/L means crap? Twelve no hit innings and he takes a fuckin' LOSS. To carry the logic you are supporting further, it would have been a good thing if he had given up twelve home runs and won the game 13-12.

    What you are saying is that run support and defense matters more than quality pitching. (I know, I'm ignoring ERA, which I personally like.) The 1996 AL win percentage leader was 13-3, Jamie Moyer with a 3.98 ERA. That same year Roger Clemens had a 3.62 ERA...and was 10-13.


    Since when is pitching ever truly fielding independent? It isn't. It never was.

    And I never said it was. But what the stat does is strip away every thing else to show you how good the pitcher is at controlling those things that he himself can control. The best defense in the world can't prevent a homerun or a walk, but the pitcher can. So, if you put the best defense in MLB on the field, don't you want to put a pitcher out there that can control the things the defense is helpless against?

    Made up stats? ALL stats are made up. Stats by definition are an attempt to explain the success/failure of players or teams. Batting average was "made up" to explain why batter A was better than batter B. ERA was "made up" to explain why pitcher A was better than pitcher B. It's all 'made up.'

    I call your silliness and raise you one Clayton Kershaw and a 21-3 record with 1.77 ERA = Cy Young and MVP. Now fold your hand before claiming that W/L and ERA mean squat. Again. LOL.

    You don't know me very well Cappy. I'll raise your Clayton Kershaw with one Nolan Ryan, circa 1987...led the NL in ERA with a 2.76 and was the ONLY NL pitcher below 3.00-and he finished the season with a record of 8 wins and 16 losses. Guess he sucked, huh?

    Just for the record, I didn't say ERA doesn't mean squat, just W/L.

    As you say, it's over and done, we'll see what transpires. I predict you might become a McCarthy fan before it's over.

    And put me down for one giant FUCK KANYE WEST, please.
     
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    Only 30?

    You mean the minors agree with him?

    :p
     
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    Indeed...I vote for Kanye as the "Face of Douchebaggery".
    Man, some fucking people think they are truly, truly important...it's fucking entertainment, man.
    It's not baseball...
     
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  9. CapnTreee

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    Huhzah!!

    Well played..
     
  10. CapnTreee

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    Guys, I'm clear on what FIP means... I'm also clear that not counting how many singles or doubles a pitcher gives up 'solely because a fielder was involved is utter nonsense. I'd prefer a stat that mentioned how often a pitcher gave up back to back doubles because, in my view of baseball, that if a prime indicator of someones wheels coming off. But FIP doesn't acknowledge. But they haven't made that a Sabre stat quite yet... give it time.

    I'm not as against all the various Sabremetrics as people seem to want to paint me to be. I just think that a wide number of assumptions are brought into play and never acknowledged. Anytime a stat has to be measured by an arbitrary .25342 to get a particular result then that makes the stat less worthy. I.E. WAR. After all who decided it was to be .25342 rather than .23542?

    And FIP is not so bad in it's entirety but my take is that WHIP means more. Because not counting singles and doubles when a pitcher is getting rocked is nonsense. And to that point WHIP would be improved by counting Total Bases allowed rather than a single quotient of Hits.

    In contrast Batting Average is NOT made up in that one can calculate the players BA cleanly without resorting to ANY made up 'factors'. Same with Slugging Average. Or ERA.

    And Codge can we leave poor Harvey Haddix alone as his losing no hitter stats were a complete outlier to his career whereas your point about Nolan Ryan in 1987 is valid, old but valid, and illustrate how ERA bears more accuracy than W/L. Oh shit now we're agreeing again...

    I love how baseball has a tons of stats, clearly others here do too. I just prefer stats based closer to reality which means they don't have any artificial arbitrary 'factors' assigned.
     
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    Well said.

    But........


    Racist.


    ..............Kanye that is.......
     
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    Tbh yeezus is the true God
     
  13. chris

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    Agreed this board is old fam
     
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    I don't know if you guys like Eugene Levy and the old Second City comics, but he and Catherine O'Hara are starting a new sitcom (or whatever they call them now) tonite on POP TV called "Schiit's Creek". If it's as funny as other projects they've been involved in, might be hilarious.
     
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    If Kanye and Beyonce jumped off a bridge, I wouldn't care. Might even clap.
     
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    Anyone watching Better Call Saul?
     
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    It looks awesome so far.
     
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    Really enjoying it. Last night was the most fucked up negotiation.
     
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    I'm surprised things escalated that quickly in the series.
     
  20. doyerfan

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    Yep, I have a feeling they're planning on having a short series run. Gonna be hard to keep the actors looking younger for 5+ years, I say they have a 3-4 season plan

    I'm just ecstatic Mike is back, he's the best
     
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