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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Apr 2, 2017.

  1. Gebbeth

    Gebbeth DSP Legend

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    I’m saying society has a duty to protect its own people. If you don’t try to do anything, you are failing to protect the people.
     
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  2. Gebbeth

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    And what price are you talking about? What will society pay by trying to fix the problem as opposed to doing absolutely doing nothing.
     
  3. LAdiablo

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    check it out
    its freedom or it isn't
    no one needs to tell me how to protect me and mine
    the problem can be solved without stealing the rights of others
     
  4. rube

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    It's not about Kerr or any individual.
    It's that all the network people on TV are scolding and shaming and blaming Americans who use guns, live in the country, vote more conservative, are religious, etc.... for not doing something top stop a kid from shooting a school.

    You know who demands someone do something without offering a properly thought out solution?
    Women and children.
    Which make up most men of our annus.
     
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  5. Finski

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    Great take, Gebb. Thanks for this.

    I'll take your last point right now. I'd like road dress the others later when I have time.

    You wrote: "Would you criticize public figures for their sincerity or veracity if they said things that you agree with? Is that the measure of sincerity? Your agreement with the message?"

    Yes, and I have.

    When POTUS Bush 2 pushed the Patriot Act through, I wrote him a letter, as well as two dem congressmen in Colorado. Likewise, while knowing that the powers of Big Fed would never relinquish that power after the "war on terror" ended, I really didn't want to go into Afghanistan or Iraq like he did. I knew we'd fuck it up. Historically, we COULD ONLY fuck that up. We were hypocrites then and now. And Biden was a hawk for it then and he's therefore even worse than Bush 2 was.

    I told my pastor at my church that I was against the invasion in 2002. He was disappointed in me and replied, 'Some of us are for the war and want justice for the Americans killed on 9/11..." All I can say is he was full of shit then for saying that and Kerr is even more full of it to imply that conservatives are hard-hearted to shooting sprees like in Texas "because Trump." And I know... He didn't say those exact words, but we also know that's exactly what he means. He's got his side of the aisle, and I have mine, but the middle ground should be that there's another option that neither the left nor the right are considering.

    There's nearly 400 million rifles, handguns, and firearms in this country. We will NEVER improve our nation by trying to limit access more than we have already tried to do. That ship has sailed. I go around armed almost daily, and that's because of the rarified scumbags like this Uvalde shooter being out there.

    I didn't like and was openly critical of Trump weaponizing the reaction to the Wuhan virus. I lost 'friends' immediately when I instantly declared the whole thing bogus, an overreaction, a powergrab, as fear porn. I dumped all social media in June 2020 in advance of knowing how fucked Trump was to let Fauci and the Dem cabal engineer his doom in November that year. Trump was a blowhard already but he blew his reelection and was played like a violin by the DNC & the media.

    So yeah. I have criticized my own plenty. And locally... I'm a huge asshole because I've attended dozens of Anaheim city council meetings and helped elect that sack of crap Harry Sidhu. He just resigned in shame because he's a corrupt thief. I knew Anaheim was shitty, but now I recognize my own stupidity to back the wrong candidate.

    Anyway... like I said ... good take, brother.
     
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  6. LAdiablo

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    RIP Ray Liotta damn
     
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  7. Gebbeth

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    Thanks for your response.

    I’d just say this. If there are that many guns already circulating, why make it easier to buy more? There are enough going around for everybody to have one or more. And these are of the type that really are excessive (military assault rifles). If you are a bonafide gun collector or enthusiast, would a few extra hoops really matter to you? We are not advocating bans, just getting weapons out of the hands of psychos and those who, like the boy in Texas, is planning something “big”.

    Will it stop all massacres? Of course not. But if it stops 1, I’m all for it.

    Just one other thought about Kerr.

    When his father was assassinated in Beirut, he was playing for Arizona, and was a star. They were ranked 3. This was in ‘88.

    When they played Arizona State, before the game started during warmups, students were yelling “PLO, PLO” and “You’re father’s history”, and “Why don’t you join the Marines and head back to Beirut!”

    It was so bad, Arizona State’s AD personally apologized to Kerr. He dropped 22 on them, 6-6 from 3 point range. They won the game too.

    I will never question Kerr’s sincerity or fortitude, his take on gun violence, or his views on society, or politics, or faith, or whatever. He deserves a hell of a lot of respect, and I listen to him when he has something to say.
     
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  8. Finski

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    Food for thought, to be sure. I knew his father died in Beruit but that PLO cheer ... that's news to me.

    Hey ... there's always a chance I'm full of shit.
     
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    tbh i didn't know his father's back story
    still don't understand how his father's demise gives him the right to speak as an authority on gun violence
    he was assassinated by terrorists in a violent and dangerous middle eastern land
    and i wasn't looking to impugn kerr as a human being
    just have a hard time understanding why defending and protecting the most vulnerable among us is so controversial
    people screaming "do something" doesn't help
    we aren't going to confiscate all the firearms in our society
    or for that matter knives, hammers or the means to make explosives
    its a deeper subject and while we debate that how about guarding schools???
     
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  10. rube

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    Freedom is only a right If you can defend it. Everything else is fantasy land.
    Dominate is part of the word freedom.
    Free means liberal.
    Liberal dominance is freedom.
    Freedom is living on the edge at the cliffs overlooking the end of the world.

    If you can steal something it's gonna be stolen. Destiny and future is what this country most likes to steal.
    There is no.such thing as rights if they can be taken away by the court or a dude with a badge.

    God gives you rights.
    God gives you what you need to keep the gifts he has entrusted to you.
    But most of us rather waste our talents at a job that glorifies the design that steals people's rights systematically.
    Instead of working for God.
    If you on a mission from God there are no rights they can take from you other than the rights they give you.
    And they dont give you nothing but repackage what god already gives you for free so you think you beholden to them.
    Like real estate.
    It's just dirt.
    First real estate agent was the grave digger.
    Selling you the right to die.
    If you paid cash up front for the land.
    Land for your dead corpse to live in.

    Rights are a con based off the artists making their marks feel entitled and good about themselves with a false self confidence so they be easy pickings.
    Con artists are lazy by nature and would rather you do all the work.
    That's why they set all these legal fiction traps with language.
    A sitting duck is worth two in the bush.
     
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  11. rube

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    Why does someone deserve respect for what happened their dad?
    Nobody deserves respect for anything than your personal relationship with them.
    Or else you end up with a gay ass kissing society.
    This is woman emotional shit being shoved down your throat to infanticide your reasoning.

    Getting guns out of psychos hads is not logic. It's not a plan.
    It's wishful thinking.
    It's crying to god.
    Disneyland shit.
    And the God that answers those prayers then comes to fuck you in the ass behind the teacup ride.

    If you want your children not to kill you with guns then stop blaming the children and the gun makers. Start blaming you.
    Maybe then you will find an idea.
     
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    The husband of one of the murdered teachers...just died. Couldn't handle it.
    I don't know if one can die ( physically) of a broken heart, but this sure is a reasonable facsimile, at least.
    Maddening.
     
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    Well written.
    To me, this is the very same thing as the knee jerk reaction, " there has to be a law against that"...law is for the law abiding.
    Not for the criminals. That's why they're criminals.
     
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  14. Finski

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    Judas ... that's hard to believe ... but something tells me there's more sadness to come as this story unfolds.

    And I just found it.

    They have four kids. No idea the ages of those kids ... but those four kids .... lost both their parents in less than 48 hours.

    Sonofabitch.
     
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  15. rube

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    Yes youcan.
     
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    67, way too soon
     
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    RIP Alan White and Andy Fletcher wtf
    remember seeing Depeche at the SB bowl in 01 and Fletch we were on the front of stage
    my step daughter was 16 and the wife looked as hot as she ever did
    i wasn't directly next to her and he seemed to be playing just for her lol
    when they left the stage the entire band slapped my kids hand it was epic
     
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    WTF?!

    Somebody is cleaning up in the celebrity death pool today.
     
  19. Finski

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    I was just thinking that.

    My niece was a huge DM fan in the 80s. I gave her a ton of shit for it, too. Because I'm an asshole. I called them Depeach ala Mode ... She'd hit the roof.

    Secretly, I liked their music. Pretty solid band. Not as good as the Smiths or Cure, but that's no disgrace.

    Rest in peace. Now you can play master and servant.
     
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    It confuses me that people like Steve Kerr (leftists) feel compelled to speak publicly on social and political issues in the first place.

    All systems of power and influence are already amplifying your position. So it's not as if you're providing a perspective that's lacking in the discourse.

    Self importance and attention seem like the most likely reason.

    I'm not somebody who thinks your occupation invalidates your opinion. There are brilliant and educated people who happen to be in the field of sports and entertainment. But what they need to realize is, as far as the public is concerned, they are well-known because of their acting, athleticism, etc. They didn't gain notoriety for their intellect or perspective. People don't want to hear it.

    I'd pay money to watch Steven Spielberg give someone a directing lesson, because that's what he does. I respect that. It's his field of expertise and I'd love to learn from an expert. He EARNED a voice of authority in FILM. He didn't earn a voice of authority in politics. He's free to speak, but only someone who feels a sense of self importance or is seeking attention would be compelled to speak publicly and with authority on issues outside their expertise.

    To Gabeth's point, we absolutely look the other way, if not root for, similar celebrities who express opinions that align with our own. I think DiNero is a piece of shit and Jon Voight is awesome. Because I'm a hypocrite. Mostly. But it might also have to do with the fact that one of those guys is taking an underrepresented position, not the mainstream one.
     

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