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Where Will Hector Olivera Sign?

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  1. VRP

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    I say we get him!
     
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    Hector Olivera Weighing Four- To Six-Year Offers
    By Steve Adams [March 11, 2015 at 7:26pm CDT]

    Cuban infielder Hector Olivera is weighing offers that range from four to six years in length and could come to terms with a team this week, reports MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez. Sanchez’s sources indicate that the Dodgers, Braves, Marlins, Padres, A’s and Giants have all shown a strong interest in Olivera, who will turn 30 early next month.

    Olivera’s market has been anything but typical, as while scouts believe he’s Major League ready and could hit 15-20 homers with strong OBP marks right out of the gate, he also comes with myriad health issues and underwent a late change of representation, switching to the Legacy Agency’s Greg Genske earlier this week. Olivera has a blood disorder that at one time caused clotting in his biceps but is said to be cleared up now, and a report last week indicated that he may have damage to his ulnar collateral ligament as well. Olivera maintains that he is completely healthy, and multiple teams, including the Braves, Dodgers and Padres, have already conducted physicals.

    Meanwhile, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro hears that Olivera’s price tag is expected to land in the $50MM range, and the Marlins are comfortable making offer in that vicinity (though he does not specify the number of years, and clearly, $50MM over four years would be drastically different than $50MM over six). As for where he would play in Miami, Frisaro notes that the Marlins believe Olivera could handle all four infield positions, and the team would like to get Mike Morse a day or two off per week, and they’d also like to keep Adeiny Hechavarria fresher at shortstop by resting him periodically.

    Reports last night indicated that the Padres were weighing an offer that was worth “upwards of $50MM,” though no length of contract was specified. The Braves also reportedly have an offer on the table to Olivera, though it’s unknown at this time how much Atlanta was willing to pay.
     
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    will eventually merge with the cuban thread once he signs
    but for now, vote where you think he'll go...

    Poll: Where Will Hector Olivera Sign?
    By Steve Adams [March 12, 2015 at 10:13am CDT]

    It’s been a whirlwind week on the Hector Olivera front, as the 29-year-old Cuban infielder switched agents earlier this week and is said to be weighing offers of four to six years in length, with the ultimate price tag expected to land around $50MM as recently as last night. Per MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez — who discussed Olivera and other Cuban players with Jeff Todd on the MLBTR Podcast last month — Olivera has received strong interest from the Dodgers, Braves, A’s, Marlins, Padres and Giants. To this point, the Braves have made an offer and are reportedly interested in the $30-40MM range, while the Padres are said to be considering an offer worth upwards of $50MM. Olivera has already conducted physicals for the Braves, Dodgers and Padres, and possibly other clubs as well. Let’s take a quick look at how he’d fit on each of the reportedly interested clubs…
    • Dodgers — The Dodgers have Howie Kendrick and Juan Uribe at second and third base, respectively, which are Olivera’s two best positions. Uribe is a free agent next winter and could shift into a super utility role, as he has plenty of experience at shortstop and second base in the Majors as well. However, much of his value has come from his suddenly excellent work at third base over the past two seasons, and the Dodgers may have to use Alex Guerrero in a super utility role due to his contract, which allows him to refuse an assignment to the Minors.
    • Braves — Olivera could step directly into Atlanta’s lineup at second base, as he’d be an upgrade with the bat over likely starter Alberto Callaspo and potential utility player Jace Peterson. Braves fans will point out that Jose Peraza is believed to be the long-term answer at second, but he’s at least a year away, and Olivera could always unseat Chris Johnson at third base; Johnson posted just a .292 OBP with little power last year and is not well-regarded defensively.
    • Athletics — The A’s will likely use Ben Zobrist at second and Brett Lawrie at third this year, though Zobrist could be used in the outfield, presumably left field, if Olivera were signed. Zobrist is only controlled through this season, so Olivera makes sense as a long-term option for the A’s at second base.
    • Marlins — The Marlins’ infield situation is crowded, and there’s no spot opening up for the next two years, barring a trade. Still, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reported last night that Miami is comfortable in the $50MM range with Olivera and believes he could handle all four infield spots. Per Frisaro, the Fish would like to rest Mike Morse one or two days per week and also would like to spell Adeiny Hechavarria at shortstop from time to time.
    • Padres — Olivera would likely start over one of Jedd Gyorko or Will Middlebrooks at second or third base. It’s possible that Middlebrooks could eventually wind up playing first base, depending on how well Yonder Alonso hits this season. The two could at least platoon, one would imagine, allowing Gyorko and Olivera to handle second and third (each player can handle both positions).
    • GiantsJoe Panik looks to be their second baseman this season, but much of Panik’s 2014 success was driven by a .343 BABIP that may be too high to repeat, and he doesn’t offer much in terms of power or speed. Even if the Giants feel Panik is the long-term answer at second, they could shift him to a bench role this year and slide Olivera over to third next year after Casey McGehee becomes a free agent.
    It’s possible that another club will enter the mix unexpectedly, as Olivera’s agency shift has reportedly expanded the level of interest. (His previous agents had been touting a $70MM goal.) However, at this point, these appear to be the six top landing spots, which seems like plenty of fuel to conduct a poll.​
     
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    Just FYI, I'm not buying it. If that were even remotely true, he would've already signed on the dotted line.
     
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    Is he good
     
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    I tend to agree, BUT, you don't know how many qualifiers might be attached to an offer like that. Remember we had the highest bid on the other Cuban but with stipulations that he wait until after the grace period to sign. Who knows how many and what kind of stipulations may be attached to this Cuban?
     
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    agreed
    although sb nation is proceeding [with the "reportedly" caveat] as if it's legit...

    Dodgers reportedly offer Hector Olivera $77 million contract
    by Marc Normandin | SB Nation

    It's the largest offer Olivera has received, but the difference might not be as significant as it sounds.

    The Dodgers, Padres, Braves and Marlins have all been chasing Cuban free agent Hector Olivera, but until this point there were still many questions to be answered in all of these negotiations. The Dodgers just might have answered them for everyone, as they have reportedly offered Olivera a $77 million contract, according to the Miami Herald's Clark Spencer, besting those of the other three clubs.

    Spencer stated that the Padres offered $52 million, the Braves $44 million and the Marlins $53 million, though, the Fish pulled out when they got wind of the Dodgers' figure. The differences might not be as large as they seem, though, thanks to those questions alluded to above.

    Olivera was reportedly weighing a mix of four- and six-year offers -- the Dodgers' $77 million is very likely a six-year offer, with an average annual value of $12.8 million. So, around $13 million annually, or what the Padres and essentially the Marlins offered Olivera if they were thinking four years with their own.

    Now, all of the deals likely feature the standard six years of control unless they are specifically negotiated otherwise, but the Dodgers would have the payment mapped out for all six years of the deal. The Padres and Marlins would have four years, then the two sides would renegotiate through arbitration, which might even net Olivera more money overall than the $77 million the Dodgers are offering, depending on how he plays up to that point. So, the decision isn't just about who offers the most, but if Olivera is willing to bet that he can produce enough to earn more than what the difference between the Padres and Dodgers are offering.

    Of course, a preference for the Dodgers, Padres or Braves could play into things as well, but just in monetary terms, this is how things stand for Olivera. He could play right away for any of these three clubs with a little roster shuffling -- Juan Uribe in Los Angeles, Will Middlebrooks or Jedd Gyorko in San Diego -- so it's going to come down to what Olivera thinks he could make in 2019 and 2020. It's worth remembering that, for all his skill, the infielder has dealt with health problems over the years, so guaranteed dollars might very well win the day.​
     
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    Reportedly, he's 77MM over six years good. Hope that inside info helps.
     
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    Latest On Bidding For Hector Olivera
    By Jeff Todd [March 12, 2015 at 3:14pm CDT]

    The Marlins recently made a seven-year, $53MM offer to Cuban infielder Hector Olivera, but “backed away after hearing” that the Dodgers had a significantly higher bid, according to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (Twitter links). According to the report, the Miami offer was made prior to Olivera’s recent agency change.

    The report suggests that Olivera’s prior representatives led the Marlins to believe that the Dodgers were offering $77MM, with the Padres at $52MM and the Braves at $44MM. Given the switch in representation that has occurred and the industry scuttlebutt surrounding it — to say nothing of the fact that Olivera remains unsigned — it is far from clear that such offers were actually made.

    Miami is still said to be comfortable paying Olivera in the $50MM range, so it would appear that the team’s interest is still live. And other reports have suggested that San Diego and Atlanta are likely also interested at or just below that level. The key question seemingly remains whether the Dodgers are willing to go above the other bidders, and if so by how much.
     
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    i like this part...

    But perhaps no team linked to Olivera makes less sense than the Dodgers. With Howie Kendrick at second base and Juan Uribe at third base, the team doesn’t really have an open spot for a player who is likely going to command $10 million or more per season, and it seems unlikely that Olivera would want to spend a year on the bench waiting for a position to open up. Of course, injuries do happen, and the Dodgers have enough money to stockpile depth, so the presence of Kendrick and Uribe shouldn’t automatically eliminate LA from signing a talented player.

    However, when reading scouting reports about Olivera’s expected performance, I can’t shake the idea that the Dodgers already have this player; he just goes by the name of Justin Turner.
     
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    So he is Justin Turner? Nah, I'll pass.
     
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    what, you wouldn't offer turner $77MM? :duck:
     
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    well, you have some scouts saying that Olivera is capable of 15-20HRs right out of the gate, so if that's true than i move to trade Uribe and start Turner because obviously Justin Turner's about to do some unforeseen damage.
     
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    It does seem like a bit of a stretch to compare Olivera to Turner, but at the same time, we have no clue what Olivera will be.

    If you can get similar or slighter less production from Turner at 7 million less then Olivera, is it worth it? Though money is obviously no object for us, so maybe it is worth it?
     
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    What the actual fuck?!?!? Man, this shit is getting stupid.

    Shields for $75M over 4 years>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Olivera for $77M over 6 years
     

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