DODGERS The Neverending PUIG Thread

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Dodgers should...

  1. Trade Puig to anyone who will take him regardless of the return

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  2. Trade Puig for top prospects

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  3. Trade Puig, but only for MLB ready talent in return

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  4. Do not Puig under any circumstances

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  5. Keep Puig, and reacquire Kemp (Rube's choice)

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  1. Gebbeth

    Gebbeth DSP Legend

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  2. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    75 minutes prior to game 4 vs washington
    and instead of being focused on a crucial elimination game he's talking about the [imo meaningless] wbc?

    oh yeah, and just a couple hours later with the game still tied in the 7th...
    he would k as a pinch hitter on 5 pitches
    #priorities
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  3. LASports96

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    Trying to hard to make something there I think
     
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  4. CapnTreee

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    :haterade:
     
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  5. CapnTreee

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    In the larger view Puig is loose, he went 2 for 2 last night and smacked the second ball solidly. He was aggressive on the basepaths and scored from first easily on that hit to right. Good hustle.


    Your piggy hatred aside it wouldn't be a bad thing if Puig got hot in the playoffs.
     
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  6. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    i hate when someone takes their skills and profession for granted
    if its someone like tiger woods idgaf
    but baseball is a team sport and there are people rely on one another
    two singles notwithstanding, i'd like to see him take the game more seriously
    and i've grown tired of others playing the youth card
    corey, toles and urias are all younger than him and those guys give it their all 24/7
     
  7. CapnTreee

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    We agree.

    I'm still enamored with the massive raw potential and convinced he could be a .300/30HR guy if he ever got his shit together


    "IF"
     
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  8. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    What’s next for Puig?
    by Eric Stephen | True Blue LA — 6 hours ago

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    As with any offseason, there are a ton of moving parts, and the Dodgers’ offseason could go in various different directions. One of the key unknowns this winter is Yasiel Puig.

    Puig is coming off an embattled season, one that saw him get sent to the minors for a month. It was his second straight ordinary year, hitting .263/.323/.416 with 11 home runs in 104 games.

    There is the lure of chasing 2013-14, trying to coax a year out of Puig like his first two seasons, when he averaged .305/.386/.502 with 29 doubles and 18 home runs. It is that lure that also gives Puig trade value, with perhaps some other team thinking a change of scenery will unlock his potential.

    There was the rumored trade talks with the Brewers centered around Puig and Ryan Bruan, the latter a more consistent right-handed power source, and one with $76 million and four years left on his contract.

    But just because the Dodgers reportedly talked Puig/Braun with the Brewers in July and August doesn’t necessarily mean that will be revisited this offseason. After all, there was concern at the time that Puig might never play for the Dodgers again.

    Puig did come back in September, and did by several accounts did everything that was asked of him.

    "His energy and will to get better, and willingness to get along better with coaches teammates was consistent throughout the season,” manager Dave Roberts said after the season. “We were at a point where he needed to get consistent at-bats, and we felt that going down to Oklahoma City and play, to come back and learn some things, that he could get better as a player, as a man, with accountability, and he did that.”

    Puig hit .281/.338/.561 with four home runs, four doubles and 11 RBI in September, but in a limited role. Counting the playoffs, he started all 15 games against left-handed pitchers after his return from the minors, but started just once in 22 games against right-handers.

    Is that Puig’s role going forward, the short end of a platoon in right field? Will the Dodgers play him nearly every day? Or will he be traded?

    If Puig is traded, there is a little more cost certainty going forward. Puig is due $6.5 million in 2017 and $7.5 million in 2018, then eligible for salary arbitration in 2019.

    Puig, with three years, 102 days had the chance to opt into salary arbitration — something that seemed like a no-brainer back when he was a dynamic player in 2013-14 — but opted to remain with his current contract, per Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports.

    And it’s easy to see why.

    Puig, who turns 26 on December 7, is due $14 million over the next two years, which means a breakdown something like $5 million in 2017 and $9 million in 2018 just to match his current deal.

    Using the always resourceful MLB Trade Rumors arbitration tracker, let’s look at last year’s crop. Manny Machado, at three years, 56 days settled for $5 million with the Orioles, coming off a 7-win season of .286/.359/.502 with 35 home runs, 30 doubles, 20 steals and Gold Glove defense.

    Their careers through three years of service time:

    Machado (2012-15): .281/.330/.458, 114 OPS+, 103 doubles, 7 triples, 68 home runs, 252 runs, 215 RBI, 17.7 rWAR, 16.6 fWAR
    Puig (2013-16): .287/.361/.472, 133 OPS+, 84 doubles, 16 triples, 57 home runs, 233 runs, 194 RBI, 12.7 rWAR, 12.1 fWAR

    That’s a tough sell for Puig to match Machado, especially when the bulk of Puig’s career value came in his first two years.

    But with three years before free agency, due $14 million over the next two seasons, there is still value in Puig. Whether that worth to the Dodgers means Puig still patrolling the outfield or netting someone else in trade remains to be seen.
     
  9. CapnTreee

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    I saw a similar article and was going to post it but got distracted replying to @rube suicidal rant. LOL. :duck:

    Overall I'd still rather have a cleaned up Puig than Manny. And he's a bargain. And he's got arguably the best arm in the game.
     
  10. Bluezoo

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    Irish, are you sure this is Puig? Looks like Juan Pierre.
     
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  11. Fall Winslow

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    I know you're talking about Manny Ramirez.
     
  12. CapnTreee

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    Yeah. No.

    How is it that Machado lost in arbitration and only got $5M??
     
  13. Fall Winslow

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    Nah you have to be talking about Manny Ramirez.
    No one takes Yasiel Puig over Manny Machado, that's lunacy
     
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  14. rube

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    Cap has no clue what hes talking about.
    Maybe he doesnt even know who machado is?
     
  15. irish

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    likely won't happen
    but i would laugh my ass off if puig became the first player to have his salary reduced in arbitration

    Puig declines to opt-out of guaranteed money
    By Craig Calcaterra | NBC Sports Hardball Talk — 9 hours ago
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    Yasiel Puig‘s deal with the Dodgers allowed for him to opt-out of the guaranteed money he has coming to him for 2017 and 2018. It doesn’t allow him to become a free agent — the Dodgers still have control over him for the next two years — but he does have the choice: make $6.5 million in 2017 and $7.5 million in 2018 or to opt-out of that and have his salary set by arbitration.

    Coming off of two disappointing and injury-plagued years, Puig has decided to stay with the deals as-written and eschew arbitration, Ken Rosenthal reports.

    This may be seem somewhat curious as players do not typically see their salaries reduced in arbitration, thus allowing one to argue that Puig had nothing to lose by going to arbitration. Thing is, it’s not entirely unheard of for a player to see his salary drop. And, if Puig has another rough season in 2017, the Dodgers could non-tender him for 2018, making him a free agent coming off of a bad year, in which case he could see his 2018 salary drop indeed.

    As we noted last week, the Dodgers still see Puig as an important part of their future. Unless they trade him, they now know exactly how much they’ll be paying him for that future.
     
  16. irish

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    Roundtable: Will Yasiel Puig be traded prior to Opening Day?
    Dodger Blue — 2 hours ago
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    After multiple hamstring injuries limited Yasiel Puig to a career-worst 79 games in 2015, he was instructed by Los Angeles Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman to lose weight as a preventative measure to avoiding the recurring soft-tissue injury. Couple with that was the organization hoping to reinvigorate their polarizing outfielder, who reportedly did not mesh well with former manager Don Mattingly. Dave Roberts helped mend the fences, and Puig drew rave reviews during Spring Training. A strained left hamstring forced Puig to the DL in early June, but more prominently, he was demoted to Triple-A Oklahoma City after the Dodgers failed to trade the 25-year-old. Puig returned in September and vowed to have learned from time spent in the Minors. He was an improved player on the field and better teammate in the clubhouse. While Los Angeles ultimately got desired results from Puig down the stretch of the season, his standing with the organization hardly appears to be on solid footing. Although Josh Reddick, who temporarily replaced Puig, is now with the Houston Astros, leaving a void in right field, the Dodgers reportedly remain open to trading Puig. The Chicago White Sox are said to covet Puig, among others on the Dodgers roster. Puig has two years and $13 million remaining on the seven-year, $42 million contract he signed in June 2012.

    The DodgerBlue.com staff was asked for their thoughts on whether he’ll be with the Dodgers come Opening Day of the 2017 season.

    Matthew Moreno (@MMoreno1015)
    I would be surprised if Puig remains with the Dodgers through the offseason. While he showed signs of a bounce-back season, consistency remains an issue. That being said, Puig appeared to again be on the upswing after returning from Oklahoma City. And we’ve already seen the Dodgers sell high (Dee Gordon). You typically need to give up value to acquire value, and the Dodgers have to address their trouble against left-handed pitching. Also, there’s a need in the starting rotation. Under the assumption the Dodgers’ preference is to continue stockpiling and developing young talent, coupled with Puig’s value, it would make sense that he’s traded.

    Matt Borelli (@MattDodgerBlue):
    At this point in the offseason, I believe it’s a 50-50 chance that Puig will be in a Dodgers uniform next season. By slugging percentage and on-base plus slugging, he was the team’s most productive hitter against left-handed pitching in 2016. Not only that, but Puig ranked sixth in defensive runs saved among right fielders at +5 (minimum 650 innings) and has one of the best arms in the game. On the other hand, Puig’s trade value might never be this high again, with just two years left on his contract. His improved play and behavior in September should make Puig an attractive option for teams seeking an outfield upgrade. In August, Puig was nearly dealt to the Milwaukee Brewers for Ryan Braun, so I think that’s a potential trade to look out for in the coming weeks. Many expect the talks to be revisited at some point. The White Sox are also said to be interested in Puig and have been linked to him since July. If the Dodgers could land one of their stars by including Puig in a deal, that would also be a no-brainer for the club. Basically, I expect Puig to remain with the Dodgers unless they’re getting a significantly better player(s) in return. Otherwise, I think he remains with the team and at the very least serves as a quality platoon option.

    Jeff Spiegel (@JeffSpiegel):
    Puig is the biggest mystery/wild card this offseason. Will the Dodgers trade him? Will he rebound? Will he continue to struggle? Will he start? And, maybe most curious: how will he respond to whatever happens? For me, I’d like to see Puig stick around for the simple reason that he’s cheaper than the alternatives. Oh, and he’s better too. What was the Dodgers offense’s biggest problem last season? Hitting left-handers. Over the past three seasons, Puig has posted a .795 OPS against lefties in 315 at-bats. Given, that’s a relatively small sample size, but that’s because at one point the Dodgers had others who could hit lefties. Now they don’t, and Puig can help. On top of this is Puig’s defense. Outside of Joc Pederson, there’s no one close to Puig defensively in right field — his speed, aggression and arm make him an excellent defensive asset in a league that places more and more emphasis on defense every year. All this from someone who won’t coast more than $7.5 million a year in asalry for the next two seasons before one year of arbitration? Come on.

    Eric Avakian (@AvakEric):
    The Dodgers ultimately need to make a decision on Puig this offseason. Although it remains to be determined which course of action they will take, I believe Puig will be on the Dodgers come Opening Day. I don’t know if the Dodgers will be able to land a return that will near the expectations they have in place. It seems as though Puig has been on the trading block since last winter. Although Puig’s off-field antics are cause for concern, the Dodgers would be parting ways with one of the premiere athletes in Major League Baseball. Puig has dazzled since making his MLB debut, albeit in a highly inconsistent fashion. The Cuban outfielder holds the skill set to embody a five-tool player, but has been unsuccessful in harnessing it all at once. Given Puig’s age and the fact that he’s under team control for three more seasons, he appears to be a trade chip with some value. However, I believe the Dodgers should keep Puig as a starting outfielder for another season (until at least the non-waiver trade deadline).

    Jared Massey (@JarredJMassey):
    I don’t believe Puig will be with the Dodgers on Opening Day. The team reportedly came close to trading him to the Brewers at the trade deadline and, while re-signing all three of Rich Hill, Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner seems unlikely, trading for their replacements is a plausible solution. Obviously, Puig’s value isn’t at its highest, but he should still fetch a solid return, particularly for help in the rotation or a right-handed hitter. While the Dodgers could simply hold onto Puig and see if he rebounds, they’d probably rather acquire a more reliable player to help push them over the top in their search for a championship.

    Daniel Starkand (@DStarkand):
    I think the Dodgers parting with Puig would be beneficial for both parties involved, as Puig could use a change of scenery and a fresh start, and it is become apparent that he will never become the superstar on the Dodgers that they hoped he would be. Despite this, I do believe he will still be with the team come Opening Day. It wouldn’t be too smart to just give up on Puig and trade him for a low-level prospect or two, which is may be what teams would be willing to offer at this time. So if Puig is going to be traded, I think it would have to be part of a bigger package, either to the White Sox in a Chris Sale package or to the Tampa Bay Rays in an Evan Longoria package, or something of that nature. The Dodgers front office has shown that they do not want to give up big-name prospects to acquire players of that caliber though, so I don’t see them making a big trade this offseason. Meaning, Puig will remain with the team going into next season and possibly form a platoon with either Andre Ethier or Andrew Toles in right field. Then if he produces throughout next season his trade stock will go up.
     
  17. rube

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    Im with Jeff Spiegel... Come on!
     
  18. darth550

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    He's right, but the fKaggoty Puig haters will run for their safe rooms if he stays... :D :D
     
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    And then of course..Clayton Kershaw (@1stballotHOF): " Trade that motherfucker. "
     
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    imagine if you're kersh...
    you [purportedly] ask the nerds trade puig
    and then they not only refuse to honor your request... but then they trade your best friend instead
     

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