DODGERS Who will be the next MANAGER?

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The Next Dodger Manager will be...

  1. Gabe Kapler

    80.0%
  2. Dave Martinez

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  3. Tim Wallach

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  4. Ron Roenicke

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  5. Bud Black

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  6. Some other puppet

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  1. CapnTreee

    CapnTreee Guest

    Whereas for that very same reason we required ours to leave town for college. Its better that way.
     
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  2. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    Dodgers Manager Candidate Profile: Dave Martinez
    by Anthony Irwin | Dodgers Nation — 5 minutes ago

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    Last week, we profiled Gabe Kapler as probably the leading candidate to be the next manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers. According to Bovada, the next leading candidate is Dave Martinez, bench coach of the Chicago Cubs.

    Just as with Kapler, the thinking here is: because of the prior relationship between Martinez and Andrew Friedman, the front office might be more comfortable with the immediate future compared to building a working relationship with a manager who’s never worked in Friedman’s preferred culture. The thinking here makes sense.

    Quick tangent: The overwhelming response from those who do not support Kapler was to call him some kind of puppet for the front office.

    Look, I understand the blowback against the analytical movement occurring in baseball. “Spreadsheet baseball” can get nauseating because of how much smarter those who flaunt numbers can at times consider themselves over the more traditional baseball fan — at least that’s the typical criticism. That said, the desire for communication between the front office and the manager shouldn’t be revelatory.

    Of course Friedman wants someone who will be completely open to the sabermetrics that went into building the roster. Why wouldn’t he want the thought process to extend from the front office onto the field? A manager who fulfills the role as such wouldn’t be a “puppet” necessarily. There’s a role between “maverick manager who does things his way” and Pinocchio. That place in the middle is where the Dodgers’ next manager would idealistically reside.

    Back to Martinez, though.

    Drafted back in 1983, it took three years to make debut with the Chicago Cubs in 1986. As an outfielder, he struggled mightily at the plate and was optioned back down to the minor league after only a couple months. He would make the Cubs’ major league roster the following year. His career would continue until 2002, when he announced his retirement.

    Dave Martinez’s career notes:
    ◆ 1,919 games played
    ◆ .276 batting average
    ◆ 1,599 hits
    ◆ 91 home runs
    ◆ 795 runs scored
    ◆ 580 RBI​

    In 2006, the Tampa Bay Rays hired Martinez as a spring training instructor, then, in 2007 as their bench coach alongside Joe Maddon. The two would work together in Tampa Bay until last season, when Maddon took the job in Chicago as the Cubs manager. Martinez and Maddon worked together last year, bringing us to now, when Friedman might be interested in the second-in-command to Maddon – who many pegged as a lock to be the Dodgers’ manager when Friedman took his current job in Los Angeles’ front office.

    Maddon’s outside-the-box thinking has garnered plenty of attention. The transformation the Cubs underwent this season was something to behold, but crediting Maddon alone cheapens the talent that matured this season under his watch. Again, statistics show that managers rarely make a notable difference in a team’s wins, though if any do, Maddon would probably ranked up near the top.

    I’m not of the opinion that because a coach has spent time with a one of the game’s greats there is a definite link to future greatness on the part of the pupil. Yes, it would probably help, but the idea of coaching trees is usually a sure way to make my eyes roll backwards.

    For me, the easily more important part of this is whether Martinez can help the young guys grow while relating to the veterans and instilling a productive culture in the locker room. Whoever he coached alongside prior is much less important.

    Hiring either Kapler or Martinez would be a good way to show the organization’s direction. If the Dodgers are to fully entrust its future to Friedman, giving him that kind of rudder to steer with makes a lot of sense.
     
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    This is all getting curiouser and curiouser...
     
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    Then we will have to worry about his decision making lol. I know he went there so I understand the choice but......
     
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    I do not get why there is so much opposition to a manager who is perceived to be a 'puppet' of the FO
    I mean wouldn't this be the best situation for all parties (fanbase, manager, FO)
    Since the FO is heavy on analytics, the manager will receive informed input from the FO on all statistically favorable tactics, moves, lineups etc.
    For a manager, would this not be beneficial as they would have all the necessary information to optimize their contributions to a game?
    Better in game managing + better team composition = winning team
    winning team = happy fans
    And if being a 'puppet' = having access to extensive resources/information, job security then who the fuck cares lmao

    Only reasonable opposition I could see is if a manager wanted full autonomy. But this doesnt apply to fans so why the fuck they even talkin
     
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    Being a puppet = inexperienced Manager because what sef respecting guy would want to be hamstrung with respect to roster etc.
     
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    Erstad is strange but also, I need to find it written down somewhere or somewhere reputable but just from what I remember, he's developed a good rep as a coach as someone who develops players. Again, don't take my word 100% cause I wanna look into more if it becomes more serious, but I believe he developed some players and had them get drafted and seemed to do well

    College is obviously way different and lots of context missing but maybe it's not as crazy as initially seemed
     
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    Mattingly wants him in Miami, that's why.....

    Either way, I'm quickly getting so over these FO cKunts we have in there I could scream! Just fucking name the scheming backstabber Kapler already and be done with it like the Marlins and Nats have done. GTF over yourselves and the extra week of drama associated with every fucking move you make and STOP FUCKING UP OUR TEAM!!!

    Serious Q - When have the major LA sports teams been so mismanaged as a whole like they are now? Shit, we might actually even get the dysfunctional as fuck Raiders back????
     
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    Why erstad? Wtf? Fuck off a hole halo
     
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    There isn't a baseball man that would not want the guy that has seen Kershaw from his beginning and the last three years of Grainkey.

    Honeycutt is worth manager money.
     
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    No, not if the status quo basic results are exactly what the FO wants. Then, there is no reason to want a guy who thinks on his feet, pushes the right buttons, plays hunches, and at times goes against what the "book" and numbers say...you're right. If you want to make money, put asses in the seats, be close or even in the post more often than not, then that's the kind of guy you go out and get. Theoretically,functioning in your premise, an administrator who is skilled at acting quickly from computer info could make the moves in the dugout in any given game.
    Like HAL in "2001; A Space Odyssey. Let the Dodgers lead the way in that , too. At least it's a legacy of something again. Compumanager. Hoo-hoo!
    But if by some weird chance you want to actually win a WS, then you have to look no further than the arch rivals upstate, and their skipper Bruce Bochy. Who simply wins lots of WS rings, and the team is sold out every goddam game. A pipe dream for us with the way we're/you're thinking..
    Just a "winning team" always, without the WS (even appearance in one) = tired, bored, eventually apathetic fans. Like a whole bunch are now...
    "Wait 'till next year"? ad infinitum? Not exactly inspiring...
    Instead of getting closer (28), I think it's getting further away than ever...
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    whereas our current phalanx of managerial candidates is not
     
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    Come on BZ, you're better than this. Dodger Stadium seats 56,000 while Kevin Elster park seats under 42,000. You want sold out games? Build a new stadium on par with all the other new venues out there, ...that seat an average of 41K.

    Or...you could go for leading the league (ok, THE SPORT) in attendance. We averaged almost 5,000 more asses in seats per game than Giants.

    Fuck sold out.
     
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    At 3.8 million in attendance they average just under 47k a night.

    An average of 49.4k would put them at the magical FOUR MILLION. So leave the seating alone.
     
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    Not saying that the Giants would get at least 5k more in attendance if ATT park had the capacity
    But if they did have a bigger stadium, how many more tickets would they sell?
     
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    I would rather have the sell outs. 46k average attendance is great but looks like crap on television when half the Pavilion is dressed up like yellow benches.

    There isn't a demand for 56k seats at a baseball stadium. We aren't even selling out bobblehead games.

    If the Dodgers reduced capacity to about 48k they would still lead the league in attendance.

    I don't get the point of setting yourself up to have empty seats.
     
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    Capacity is about 53,000 nowadays post renovations...
     

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