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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Nov 2, 2017.

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If the Dodgers could acquire one player at the deadline, who would you prefer?

  1. Machado

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  2. Front line starter (degrom, thor, et al)

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  1. Fall Winslow

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    Seager definitely looks the part of a 1B. If he can just give us Olerud like production, we can win with that. He doesn't have to be McGwire or Bagwell.

    With Boras getting the deal done for Stras before free agency, it makes me wonder if the Nats were also given a real shot at re-signing Harper early ( during his cold streak earlier in the season)
     
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    Retaliate for what? It was a pitch that got away in a one run game. Last thing Maeda wanted is to give Ariz a free pass.
     
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    Garvey wasn't coming off an arm injury. He couldn't hit the ocean from the pier (or third base). He became a very good 1B, especially at digging throws out of the dirt. His arm was rarely tested, as he mostly refused to make anything but the simplest of throws.
     
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    Ohtani has decided to have Tommy John surgery
    Don't you just hate when MFs put off Tommy John and wait for months to have it when they know good and damn well that they need it?
    What does he miss, all of next season now?
    Should've had the surgery in June..or even May
     
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    If Machado is at 3B and Turner is at 1B then Seager is the SS though. That leaves Muncy to play mostly at 2B but also the primary backup at 3B and 1B, and the first option to DH. I think that’s enough AB’s for him considering Turner never plays 150 games and Machado can slide to SS and Muncy to 3B on Seager’s off days.
     
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    But Machado has stated he considers himself a shortstop. It's one thing that if he's already on the team to tell him he's playing third, but in this scenario you'd have to convince him to take your offer over any others while accepting third base. Sounds like a longshot at best.
     
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    Muncy needs to play everyday at either 1B or LF.
    Kemp should go into next year as a very expensive backup.
    Verdugo should be given the shot to start in CF.
    Bellinger in LF.
    Puig in RF.
    Joc and Kemp back them up.
    Machado, Turner, and Seager as the main infielders next to Muncy or Bellinger at 1B.
    Taylor, Kike, and Freese as the infield backups.
    Rookies at Catcher.
     
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    That could play for a solid amount of games, but I'm with CKWG on this one. If Muncy starts playing everyday, I think he's more likely to settle into LF ( or 1B). This FO in particular, they don't seem keen on sacrificing defense up the middle/have been more willing to just drop a soul into LF - Howie and Kemp

    But lets say Muncy gets 200 PAs at 2B ( maybe generous), maybe he could get another 200 PAs spread around from 3B/1B/LF. Still not quite the target number of ABs, but 400 could be a solid enough number to hold onto him - for at least next season/before Lux lands.
     
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    Garvey was not yes but he couldn't throw very well which could be what Corey may become we don't know but when I say it worked for Garvey he's a borderline HOF'er. Remember too though this is a move in a 0.00% chance that Manny is re-signed and my solution to keeping JT at 3rd and Manny at SS. They can work it out once the miracle of Manny being back happens.
     
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    You're assuming Puig is back which I highly doubt. FYI: Muncy has seen time at 2nd and 3rd and when Doze is gone 2nd becomes open. Hacing said that I LOVE Muncy but can we expect him to be this good next year?
     
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    I have a feeling he's the left handed Taylor, just with way more pop. Good for a spot start.
     
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    You really like Lux lol, he’s like a 50 grade prospect by all accounts.

    I’d want to keep those 5. If that’s not possible I think you take a long hard look at dealing Cody, but more realistically yeah Muncy is the odd man out between them. Taylor has value because he can play anywhere and Verdugo a 6 years of control is probably a good move to keep
     
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    I realize that, but there is still a history between these two teams and you never know what kind of bullshit someone may day do after something like this happens.
     
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    Yep. One mook being a mook is all it'll take. Imagine Turner or Freese getting a finger broken or worse. Zona has nothing to lose. Very dicey stuff...
     
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    Big Muncy fan, but no way in hell I ever want to see him at second again.
     
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    Did you follow Lux this season? He took a hell of a step, I imagine his grade will be altered soon.
    The Los Angeles Dodgers' minor league player of the year, Cal league all star, 1st team MiLB all star, kicking ass in Tulsa AA and in the playoffs



    Deal the most athletically gifted, best defensive player on the team. Obviously, he's had a down year/soph slump offensively, but he's still at about a 120 wRC+ and been above average. I mean, of all their best players, Belli is the one who's gotten out there everyday this year..Seager and Turner dealing with their many health related issues. Definitely would expect Muncy to draw the short straw here.

    In theory, Taylor can play anywhere, but where is really any good? I mean, I get it, he's bad to average at a lot of spots and can fill in, but considering the caliber of defense you get when he does fill in, his bat has to play to get the win. Verdugo I like, offers a different approach offensively, though the pieces around him have to fill in to make up for what he lacks in the corner. If we keep Belli in CF and get SLG and pop from that position, Verdugo should be a go in LF or RF.
     
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    Bellinger is great, but he’d bring a massive return and I don’t think his upside is that much higher than Muncy if they’re both 1B, and Bellinger would bring back much more. As a CF, if that’s their plan and he can hit there, I wouldn’t dream of moving him.
     
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    Damn right he'd bring a massive return. He's good. We should keep the good, young players. The era where you have a core of four to five 30+ year olds winning WS is over, the steroid witch hunt killed it. We need 24-28 year olds that can bring it.

    But here's the real thing about Belli bringing much more than Muncy would in a trade..Dodgers don't need a lot. Lol
     
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    If you think over the next 3-4 years that Muncy has similar value to Bellinger yet think Bellinger brings back way more, that’s my point, then I’d explore it.

    Just so we’re clear, do you think Bellinger has Seager/Machado upside? What do you see Bellinger’s true talent level as, versus Muncy’s? Genuinely curious.
     
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    Yeah I'm not going to bet on Muncy keeping this up, but that aside, Dodgers don't need the big haul that Belli would bring. That was my point at the end there. The Giants could use a big haul of specs to liven up their system, but the Dodgers are pretty well off and don't need to go to those measures.



    I think Belli will ultimately live somewhere between .840 and .875 OPS, around 30HRs, and could potentially win gold gloves at multiple positions - OF and IF.
    The trade haul you would expect to get from a Machado or Seager trade, if they're both under control for multi years, wouldn't be a ton greater than what you'd get in return for Belli.
    As for Muncy VS Belli, talent wise, value wise..sort of answered above. Even if we operate under the assumption that Muncy is going to continue to hit well, he's not playing 1B as well as Belli and then of course Belli is probably going to be gold glove caliber in the OF as well at some point..and then Belli is 5 years younger.
    All told, Muncy is rising right now, but if we're being reasonable and not expecting him to be the next Turner because they don't just fall off of trees..Belli's physical decline is much further off than Muncy's..which sort of goes back to needing talented guys in the 24-28 age range in this era.
    Muncy's leaving Bill James' physical prime point and Belli will just be entering it next season.
    It's not even a question for me.
     
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