Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by ColoradoKidWitGame, Jan 4, 2019.
Don't understand. What about pitching? Isn't that priority 1 and 1A?
Probably, word is the club is expected to re-sign Ryu. With Kershaw, Buehler, Maeda, Urias, May, Gonsolin and Stripling under contract, if they bring back Ryu then that’s probably it for starters. Maybe they go after Cole as that has been rumored, but I don’t see them bringing in both.
Hopefully a short term deal for Ryu. As great as he's been this season (recent dip aside), he's still an injury risk and is far from a workhorse.
Seems to be the consensus around the league. Most teams view him as too big of a risk and the Dodgers have the history with him and he is said to not be thrilled with the idea of leaving the org. So sounds like they won't have a lot of competition for his services and will likely do a shorter term deal.
PCL Top 20 just dropped
Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin did not qualify due to the amount of innings they pitched.
A baseball scout was at our high school today. Looking at one of our players here ... got to talking with him about May. He thinks the kid is the next Kershaw. I didn't ask if that meant he'd choke in the post, btw ...
Anyway, he told me that May has the pedigree to be a student of pitching like Maddux was. Says the kid asks 30 questions about release points, arm angle, back bend, lead foot, and every aspect of body position and the biophysics of his position than any prospect he's ever seen. This scout is about 50 and has seen a few come and go.
I sure hope May is all that. Wish he was all that RIGHT NOW actually ...
Yeah, the next Kershaw is a very loaded compliment.
That is good to hear and something I have read as well. I think his desire to learn is a big reason why Fangraphs was so bully on him from the get-go. While most had him in the mid teens for our top prospects, they had him hovering the Top 5 almost from the start and on the cusp of the top 100. His work ethic is supposed to be fantastic, along with this new crop of prospects we have as the FO definitely has a type. He definitely has the chance to be something special and we may need that if Buehler continues his Jekyll and Hyde shit beyond this season. While I am excited about Gray, the pitching could be a big question mark going forward if some guys don't take that next big step.
In a recent chat over at Baseball America, Kyle Glaser had a couple tidbits about Dodgers AAA prospects:
Gavin Lux's rankings are carried a bit more as they see his defense being supremely valuable at 2B(or SS, though many think it will be hard for him to break in at the position). While his offense is expected to be at least above average, there are other MIF bats that will likely be a bit more dangerous.
They think that Dustin May is a #2 and Josiah Gray is a #3 in the future, though more realistically he feels they will slot in as a 3 and 4(BA always err's on the side of caution with pitcher projections).
Edwin Rios is a regular starter at this point to most scouts he talks to. With the glut of 1B guys on the roster, he thinks a team with a need at 1B/DH should try to pry him away this offseason. A lot of folks have thought this for a while now. He should be good, but he has some struggles with higher velo and does not project out better than guys like Bellinger, Muncy or a Lux/Downs that would keep Muncy at 1B to block Rios.
Dennis Santana was dealing with off the field all season which impacted his game for the early parts(he makes some odd twitter posts). Once he was moved to the pen, he looked much more comfortable that is where he thinks he will stay going forward.
Mitchell White dealt with blisters all year and the belief is that it is time to move him to the pen. Too many issues with him breaking down for their liking and the feeling is he will be moved to the pen if they want him to be a big leaguer going forward. This is not a huge shock, but is very disappointing to hear as this dude has some of the best stuff in the minors when he is clicking... which is not for very long stretches. With Buehler, Urias, May, Gonsolin, Gray and Stripling all being under control for a few more years and couple intriguing pitchers at the lower levels, I could see them moving White to the pen, finally.
@ColoradoKidWitGame, haven't seen much on ruiz lately
where's he at as far as projections?
Texas League Top 20 dropped today
May got props for his change taking a big step forward this year, plus the dangerous arsenal of hard stuff we have all witnessed. Ruiz struggled with the same issues that have cost him in the past as his bat to ball skills are ELITE and he makes too much contact. So he does not walk and he will make a lot of weak contact on pitches that are not really good hitting pitches. Still gets props for just not hardly at all striking out and his already good defense took another step forward. He was on a tear after his promotion to AAA before an injury ended his season.
Little info on him today. Still seen by many as a first tier catcher, but he has got to stop swinging at things outside a good hitting zone.
But imagine if he suddenly grows in strength and all that weak contact start to drop for doubles or catch air for home runs?
We can have our very own Molina type catcher.
Can't wait for Smith and Ruiz to be the best catching duo in baseball.
Cal League Top 20
#18. Devin Mann
There has been a lot of talk about Mann in that he was probably our most improved prospect year over year. A pure light hitting non-prospect without any position flexibility became a power hitting super utility player that should find his way onto an MLB roster. Sounds kind of like what Hernandez should be, but the defense is a step behind for Mann.
Downs took off after a shitty introduction to the org. He probably would have been higher on this list if it was not for that start. Downs is supposed to be a very hard worker and his skills across the board took a step forward. A swing that I had heard described to be somewhat long is said to now get a lot of praise and he has no problem catching up to velocity. Downs also started to become more selective in his approach and that could have helped with his progress. Though he did see the jump in his defense, they still project a multi-positional bat first player. With Lux and Seager in the fold, it will be interesting to see where he plays in AA next year.
Gray was only in HiA for 12 starts, but they were enough to get him a solid rating. Gray's FB was graded as the best in the league with a ton of late life and a velo he at 93-96, which he holds late into starts. The slider is graded as above average and the change only average. It's enough to get him a mid-rotation projection, but he'll need to improve those secondaries to see front of the rotation upside.
Interesting article on Downs that just came out from MLB Pipeline. Basically says that Downs had one of the best seasons in the power tool department based on ISO(also explains the meaning in great detail). If he posts similar numbers in 2020, it is likely that he will move to a 60 grade power tool and leap to the upper tier of the Top 100 list. Instead of being a dead pull fly ball hitter like in the previous year, he started driving the ball to all fields with power and less ground balls. An increase in his line drive rate makes the transition all the more intriguing and believable, but they want to see what he can do outside of the Cal League and over a full season... but fuck did they just get me really excited about this kid. A keystone combo of Lux and Downs could be a dangerous duo.
So if the Dodgers decide not to spend any more money on hitters for the next couple of years...
C : Smith/Ruiz
Bench: Downs, Peters, Ruiz, Turner, Pollock
More likely in a scenario like that in two years would look like...
Bench: Rios, Ruiz, Beaty, Mann and random prospect that becomes star out of nowhere.
This is purely hypothetical and would never happen unless they win a WS this year on the backs of guys like Smith and Lux going off plus guys like Seager, Belli and Pollock stepping up. Joc is gone after 2020 at the latest, imo. The org is not going to spend a lot of money on a platoon player, no matter how good they may be at everything else(Yasmani Grandal says hi) and they have other dudes they would probably rather pay. From what I am hearing, Peters is probably creeping into non-prospect/Quad A territory. Once AAA pitchers figured him out, they destroyed him. Turner is probably gone as well at the end of his contract as I have a hard time believing that they will give him anything too appetizing. I sorta see him playing out his days in Anaheim on a smaller contract, but for a chance to stay close to home and they could utilize him better with the DH.
Wouldn't Turner probably stay around in an Utley type of role?
The problem of course is that the we are flush with 1B/3B types on cheap long term deals.
If what they say is true that Mookie Betts is available we will surely lose a lot of those cheap white guys like Muncy, Taylor, Barnes, Beaty, and top specs like Peters though.
The Dodgers would then probably still have a need to keep him around.
I think you are right about Anaheim. His popularity would not take a hit as Anaheim would fall in love with him instantly.
I love Joc and think that he is more valuable to us than he would be elsewhere.
To be honest I think even as a platoon player he is all star caliber.
Joc is an everyday Joc happy go lucky throwback of a player.
He is not particularly great at anything but is adequately good enough at everything else other than hitting left handed pitching.
What makes him a special player is that he always goes on 2 to 3 big hot streaks where he stops being average and becomes great.
Usually one of those hot streaks occurs somewhere around this time of the year.
Joc has proven to be a guy that steps it up. So he has a flaw... that's what a bench and a NL manager is for.
Joc came in a class with like 7 other OF prospects that all washed out. In the end it was just he and Puig.
Joc has taken the crown and has become a valuable player who is still improving.
One small off-season tweak that allows him to be a decent hitter vs lefties would make Joc into a very nice player.
His power is just too good to give up. It is near elite level when you factor that he leads off and can play a decent enough CF.
If he does not break the bank he would pair up well with Pollock as the old man rides his last years as a part timer.
Bellinger is destined for 1B anyway.
C : Smith/Ruiz
Bench: Pollock, Downs, Ruiz, Rios, Kike
Gerardo Carrillo hit 100 today in his AFL game. Him and Uceta are two guys that have impressive as hell stuff, but they are small for starters and get held back in ranking for this. Both are short and skinny which brings A LOT of questions about durability and could push them into bullpen roles. Carrillo could be interesting with that as his FB why notching into the upper 90’s has HEAVY sink to it and he works the bottom of the zone well.
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