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  1. 4everblue

    4everblue DSP Regular

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    hmmmmmmmmm... true... its just misleading...

    anyway... here's a "nice" reading where ESPN has the Dodgers ranked #7 overall behind teams with way less talent...


    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/31521/power-rankings-nationals-reds-1-2

    amazing they mention their "age" but have the Yankees #3... and they dont even have the Giants making the top 10, or the Angels... yes, its a terrible reading...
     
  2. IBleedBlue15

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    I'd put us at #4 behind the Nats, Tigers, and Reds. We gotta prove something before we can leapfrog teams that won 97+ games last season.

    Sick of hearing about the Yankees tho. They've done absolutely nothing this offseason and showed their true colors in the postseason.

    Glad to hear this dude isn't all over the Giants too. I have no problem admitting they're good, but on paper, if you're going to do a preseason power ranking, the only reason they should crack the top 10 is because they won the WS last year.
     
  3. 4everblue

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    interesting... I have the same top order than you...

    Wash, Detroit, Cincy, Dodgers, Angels, Tampa, Atlanta,Yankees, Giants, Blue Jays

    I have the Jays #10 because that lineup is gonna be sick, and the rotation looks amazing (even before adding RA)... Josh Johnson, Buehrle, Morrow, Romero is still pretty good... and that Reyes, Melky, Batista, Encarnacion, Lawrie, Rasmus, Bonifacio, Lind, Arencibia lineup is SICK...
     
  4. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    espn writers are on crack
    rangers #8 after losing both napoli and hamilton?
    fucken idiots
     
  5. VRP

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    On paper we're probably the best team in baseball. I would put us 2nd, maybe third if you want the Yankees 2nd.

    WAS, NYY, LAD, TOR, DET, CIN, TEX, STL, ATL, TB is my top 10
     
  6. 4everblue

    4everblue DSP Regular

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    I dont think we are the best on paper yet... Hanley needs to produce (and show he can produce)... our rotation is not as strong as others until Bills and Beckett show their form... I sure give Washington the edge over us and a slight edge to Cincy because they won their division and the Shoo trade looks great on paper, BUT I dont buy the "Chapman moving to the rotation" crap...

    I have a co-worker that's a Reds fan and he's so psyched about that, but I keep telling him that its impossible for a pitcher to throw 100 for 8 innings and survive on only 2 pitches, as he has no third pitch (only FB and slider)... I really expect Chapman to have big issues adjusting unless he develops a changeup or curve...

    the Yankees stuff is pissing me off... Jeter is old and coming from injury, Tex is old, youk is old, A-Rod is injured, Gardner is coming from an injurey, they have no catcher, only 1 reliable solid pitcher (CC), their other starter are either old or unproven, their BP is a ghost town and STILL THEY RANK THEM HIGH????
     
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    They won 97 games last season. The BP is great, they have old players, but they're still 3-4 win old players. They're still the best team in the American League.
     
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    4everblue DSP Regular

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    might be... still its amazing how they second guess Adrian's capability but give as a lock that Jeter and Mariano will come back 100%...
     
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  9. irish

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    why he didn't put the gnats in his top 10
    he must have received some gay hate mail
    and lol at #6...

    December, 17, 2012 | 1:15 PM ET​
    By David Schoenfield | ESPN.com​

    How could I leave the defending World Series champions out of my top 10 offseason power rankings? Giants fans weren't happy. One of my editors wasn't happy. So here you go. Ten reasons I didn't have the Giants in my top 10:​

    1. The Giants in 2012 scored 718 runs and allowed 649. This would normally result in a record of 88-74, meaning the Giants exceeded their expected record -- based on those runs scored and allowed totals -- by six wins. That was tied with the Reds for the second-highest positive differential in the league, behind the Orioles' historically anomalous plus-11. To me, this means the Giants' true talent level is closer to that of an 88-win team than a 94-win team.​

    2. Now, Giants fans will argue this is because of their good bullpen or the team's ability to "play the game the right way." The Giants did have a good record in one-run games: 30-20, the fifth-best percentage in the majors (although it's worth noting that the Indians had the third-best such percentage). It's also true that the Giants exceeded their projected record by six wins in 2011, tied for the highest differential in the majors. In 2010, however, they underperformed by two wins. While there is some correlation between a good bullpen and a team's record in one-run games, that isn't always the case. Tampa Bay had an outstanding bullpen in 2012, led by Fernando Rodney, but was 21-27 in one-run games. The Yankees were 22-25 in one-run games but the Marlins were 26-26. I'm not suggesting the Giants don't play the "right way," but we're trying to quantify talent here.​

    3. You can also argue that the Giants exceeded their runs scored totals based on their offensive components. For example, the Giants and Reds posted an identical .314 wOBA, yet the Giants scored 49 more runs than the Reds. The Giants hit .269/.327/.397 while the Diamondbacks hit .259/.328/.418, yet Arizona scored just 16 more runs. The Giants raised their game with men on base, hitting .276/.341/.412, and hit even better in "high leverage" situations at .293/.358/.443. This ability to produce in what we'll call clutch situations isn't necessarily a repeatable skill.​

    How past five World Series champions fared:

    ..Year....Team........Record.........Result
    ..2011....STL.....90-72 to 88-74.....wild card
    ..2010....SFG.....92-70 to 86-76.....missed playoffs
    ..2009....NYY....103-59 to 95-67.....wild card
    ..2008....PHI.....92-70 to 93-69.....NL East champs
    ..2007....BOS.....96-66 to 95-67.....wild card

    4. Melky Cabrera was awesome in 2012, hitting .346/.390/.516 in 501 plate appearances prior to his season-ending suspension. Right now, the Giants haven't replaced that, as Gregor Blanco -- certainly an adequate fourth outfielder -- would be the regular left fielder. Cabrera created about 93 runs in his 501 PAs; Blanco created about 52 in 453; prorated over 501 PAs, that's still a 35-run drop from Cabrera.​

    5. Possible regression from Buster Posey and Angel Pagan. MVP winner Posey hit .336/.408/.549, but much of that damage was built up against left-handers, off whom he hit .433 with a .793 slugging percentage. Against right-handers he hit .292 with a more pedestrian .440 slugging. Posey also hit .368 on balls in play -- the sixth-best mark in the majors. It's entirely possible that's a real skill, but if I had to predict, I would predict Posey doesn't hit .336 again. Pagan had an inspired season in 2012 and is one of the more underrated players in baseball. He's also one year removed from a poor season with the Mets and has to show he can put back-to-back seasons together.​

    6. Hunter Pence. Overrated.​

    7. Marco Scutaro hit .362 for the Giants. Marco Scutaro is not a .362 hitter.​

    8. The rotation didn't miss a start in 2012, as the top five guys started 160 of 162 games (Eric Hacker made one start because of a doubleheader and Yusmeiro Petit made one late-season start). Can Matt Cain, Madison Bumgarner, Ryan Vogelsong, Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito all stay healthy again? They'll need to as there isn't much depth on the 40-man roster -- Petit, who owns a 5.54 career ERA in the majors -- would be the apparent fill-in guy right now. It just seems to me that odds of all five guys not missing any time two straight years is pretty slim.​

    9. Tim Lincecum. As good as he pitched out of the bullpen in the playoffs, let's not forget he was one of the worst starters in the majors last season, with a 5.18 ERA, including a 6.43 ERA away from the friendly confines of AT&T Park. Now there are some positive signs here: He was better in the second half (3.83 ERA) and his FIP of 4.18 suggests better peripherals than his actual ERA. But I don't think we can assume he's still the elite pitcher he was until we see better results.​

    10. The NL West looks tougher. The Dodgers should be better, the Diamondbacks should be better and the young Padres could be better. The Giants played .625 ball against the NL West last year, .544 against everyone else, so a tougher division could eat into their overall win-loss record.​

    Now, OF COURSE I COULD BE WRONG. The Giants surprised us in 2010 and then went on their unlikely postseason run in 2012 after losing their first two games to the Reds in the Division Series. The Giants are certainly a good club. But there are a lot of good clubs right now, and I just don't see the Giants as a great club. If the rotation stays healthy and Lincecum bounces back, the Giants will be right there once again. And maybe win their third title in four years.​
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    lol at the rays' weakness...

    Weaknesses: catcher; first base (James Loney); power.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    mlbtv assclowns billy ripken and dan plesac's top 5 were nats, giants, reds, tigers and angels (not in that order) :smh:
     
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    I would have ZERO remourse if Bill Ripkin died
     
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    BlueMouse 2020 World Champions

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    I keep running the numbers for my preseason power rankings. No matter what criteria I use I keep winding up with the same result... LAD are my preseason #1.
     
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  14. 4everblue

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    they need to stop calling him Bill and start calling him by his real name: Cal's brother...
     
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    darth550 Baba Yaga

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    Remember this? Nuff said.... NEXT!

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    Does that say fuck face?
     
  17. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    indeed it does...

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    Fleer subsequently rushed to correct the error, and in their haste, released versions in which the text was scrawled over with a marker, whited out with correction fluid, and also airbrushed. On the final, corrected version, Fleer obscured the offensive words with a black box (this was the version included in all factory sets). Both the original card and many of the corrected versions have become collector's items as a result. There are at least ten different variations of this card. As of February 2009 the white out version has a book value of $120.[5] Years later, Ripken admitted to having written the expletive on the bat; however, he claimed he did it to distinguish it as a batting practice bat, and did not intend to use it for the card. In the same letter, he expressed the opinion that Fleer was well aware of the obscenity, and not only retained but made it even clearer, hoping to benefit from the publicity the card would no doubt receive.
     
  18. irish

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    #8? :whyme:

    December, 22, 2012 | 8:00 AM ET​
    By David Schoenfield | ESPN.com​

    Last weekend, I presented the top 10 teams in my personal power rankings. That was before the Blue Jays officially acquired R.A. Dickey, so I updated my top 10 after that trade, and, to spur on more debate, now present the rest of my rankings. Agree or disagree, but I do think this is the most parity we've seen in a long time. It's why the Orioles and A's were able to surprise this past season and why we will undoubtedly see another surprise team in 2013. It's a great time to be a baseball fan.​

    1. Nationals
    Most talented rotation in the majors, deep lineup, depth. Re-signing Adam LaRoche to add another lefty power bat will help.​

    2. Reds
    Superb rotation could be better if the Aroldis Chapman transition works, bullpen is deep enough to absorb his loss and Shin-Soo Choo provides a needed leadoff hitter.​

    3. Yankees
    I think they can stretch things out more season with a deep rotation, excellent bullpen and power. Remember, they had the largest run differential in the American League last season.​

    4. Tigers
    Deep rotation, great 1-2 punch with Miggy and Prince, and Torii Hunter and Victor Martinez should improve the lineup.​

    5. Braves
    Left-handed power, power bullpen and a young team that could improve from last year's 94 wins.​

    6. Blue Jays
    Addition of Dickey adds a needed No. 1 to a rotation that could be dominant if Josh Johnson and Brandon Morrow remain healthy.​

    7. A's
    Young teams that show big improvement are usually for real, and this team has a solid rotation, a strong outfield and power arms in the bullpen.​

    8. Dodgers
    Have to love the Clayton Kershaw-Zack Greinke combo and an offense with big upside if Matt Kemp and Adrian Gonzalez come close to 2011 levels.​

    9. Rangers
    I think the rotation is playoff-caliber with Yu Darvish, Matt Harrison, Derek Holland, Alexi Ogando, Martin Perez and Colby Lewis.​

    10. Cardinals
    Have to replace Kyle Lohse, but they'll score plenty of runs as long as Carlos Beltran (36 years old in April) and Matt Holliday (33 in January) keep producing.​

    11. Rays
    Still some holes in the lineup, and replacing James Shields' 220-plus innings won't be that easy, but underestimate the Rays at your own risk.​

    12. Angels
    Oddsmaker Bovada.lv has the Angels with the second-best odds to win the World Series (behind the Blue Jays), but I see a rotation with a lot of question marks behind Jered Weaver, and Josh Hamilton only replaces Hunter, who was terrific in 2012.​

    13. Giants
    I discussed my issues with the Giants here. I could be wrong, although our friends at Bovada only put the Giants tied for ninth in their World Series odds.​

    14. Diamondbacks
    Their run differential wasn't much different than the Giants last year, and they've added Brandon McCarthy, infield depth and still have Justin Upton.​

    15. Phillies
    I want to say we're all underestimating a team that includes Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay, but then I see an outfield of Darin Ruf, Ben Revere and Domonic Brown, and an infield defense that includes Michael Young and Ryan Howard and 30-somethings Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley.​

    16. Brewers
    They can score runs -- most in the National League last season -- and if the bullpen regroups after 2012's gruesome late-inning efforts, this team could surprise.​

    17. Red Sox
    There will be no expectations after the disaster in 2012 (the franchise's worst record since 1965), but I see a big rebound coming.​

    18. Royals
    I'll buy -- but I'm not buying a playoff spot. Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas have to take huge leaps forward ... or the Royals could be headed for another rebuild.​

    19. Orioles
    Last season's 93-win playoff team provided a beautiful ride, but the Orioles haven't added that big bat they need.​

    20. Padres
    Young team is moving in the right direction after winning 76 games in 2012. Can rotation improve to push Pads over .500?​

    21. Mariners
    Mariners have pursued a big bat all offseason but were only able to pick up Kendrys Morales, and he cost them Jason Vargas, opening up a 200-inning hole in the rotation. Looks like 2014 before Mariners can make a push in the tough AL West.​

    22. Pirates
    Still no No. 1 or even No. 2 starter (sorry, A.J. Burnett is a No. 3 at best) and not enough support for Andrew McCutchen. One of these years, Pirates fans, one of these years.​

    23. White Sox
    No A.J. Pierzynski, a declining Paul Konerko, good year/off year Alex Rios due for an off year. Then again, White Sox had a bigger run differential in 2012 than the Tigers.​

    24. Cubs
    Rotation of Edwin Jackson, Jeff Samardzija, Travis Wood, Scott Baker and Scott Feldman could be competitive, but offense won't be.​

    25. Mets
    At least Mets fans can dream of a future rotation that includes Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler, Jonathon Niese and Noah Syndergaard. Unfortunately, the 2013 version still includes Frank Francisco and a bunch of fourth outfielders.​

    26. Marlins
    Giancarlo Stanton still makes this team worth watching on a daily basis.​

    27. Indians
    Getting Trevor Bauer in the Choo deal added a much-needed starting pitcher prospect. Unfortunately, much of the rest of rotation remains suspect.​

    28. Twins
    Kevin Correia, Vance Worley, Mike Pelfrey ... what, Rich Robertson and Sean Bergman weren't available?​

    29. Rockies
    At least the Twins have a direction as they wait for young position players to reach the majors. I have no clue what the Rockies are doing, intend to do, want to do, wish to do or hope to achieve.​

    30. Astros
    Welcome to the AL West, boys.​

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    The A's in front of us is a joke.
     
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  20. Bluezoo

    Bluezoo Among the Pantheon

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    IMO, this whole pile OS means nothing....it's something for them to do and to pontificate about. Obviously it's a zero, when SF has been World Champs two out of three. They did pick Buster as MVP and as BA champ last year, but it was by ex-players mostly, not the beat sportswriters. Nobody was even in the vicinity of CY award winner Dickey, except that CK would probably "be in it somewhere". No shit-way out on a limb on that one.
    The Giants had no lineup, there SP was going to fold, Melky cheated, Pagan was an abomination and "not for real", they were lucky the first time.
    No mention of guys like the Giant Head, who gets uber-max effort from his team , top to bottom. The manager has to be factored in as a main cog in the gears of any team, IMO. And the GM , especially at the trading deadline, too. Ask the Giants.
    Davey Johnson has a loaded team, with superstars everywhere...much like HoF manager Torre did for so many Steinbrenner years with the NYY. And I as I thought with JoTo in NY with that team, one of us could have managed it.
    This is nothing to get hung about...it all comes out in the wash.
     
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