Matt Kemp is going to be here for awhile...

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  1. VRP

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    A player who's BABIP dependent and is coming off a career year.
     
    VRP, Nov 15, 2011
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    well hopefully kemp truly figured something out
    i really think he did. he was a different player from day 1. walked a lot, still struck out a ton, but he was truly a different player

    im not expecting 2011 again, but i definitely expect greatness

    imo, even if he's not truly worth the deal, i think he has potential to be like jeter and his 10 year deal. no one complained about it because jeter was a great player and because the yankees could stomach it

    if we get an owner that treats us like a big market club, kemp at 20M will be fine

    thankfully kemp is 27 and not 31 at the time of the signing.
     
    GoatMilk, Nov 15, 2011
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    the great part about this is that this deal shows even more that Ned has handicapped this team as much if not more than McCourt has. A smart GM locks up Kemp after 2009, when he proved he is a 5 win player with the possibilities of it being a lot more (and a lot less [2009] of course)

    But, hey, what the fuck is a smart GM?
     
    doyerfan, Nov 15, 2011
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    ned is really bugging me more than ever lately

    he needs to get out pronto

    fucking manny bought him 3 more years
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    But hey guys did you hear the news? Ned has gone SABEERRRR
     
    doyerfan, Nov 15, 2011
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    Present me is stoked. Future me might be a dick about this, but that's his problem.
     
    N.Z, Nov 16, 2011
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    How has he been voted a gold glove 2 of the last 3 years unless someone things he is pretty good in center? Isn't that voted on by players and coaches who compete against?
     
    TuborgP, Nov 16, 2011
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    simply put this is why old sports fans hate young sports fans
    you are letting the advanced metrics get in the way of your effin eyeballs
    and im on the numbers side of the argument most of the time... way way way most of the time, but matt kemp is a complete player, a superstar, power slugger, an mvp caliber hitter, not a defensive liability at his natural position of RF, and he has speed

    if thats not someone who you 'max out' so to speak... then i dont know who is

    and sure, with age he will of course lose some speed
    but im betting his patience continues to improve and maybe even his power if he continues to lift weights even after this big payday

    the risk is always there that a player decides to coast for the rest of his career now that he got secured that big monumental deal
    kemp doesnt seem like the guy who is going to suddenly show up 20 lbs fatter just because he said screw it lets hit in n out after every game
     
    rube, Nov 16, 2011
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    TuborgP, Nov 16, 2011
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    Holy shit, slightly more than 10 million next year? So like, 35 million when he's an old fart? Fucking hell
     
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    Each day is becoming another WTF day. However that 35 million in 8 years will be worth how much in todays dollars?
     
    TuborgP, Nov 16, 2011
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    Like 32 lol, I think you guys put too much stock in inflation, it's not that much, 10 years ago players got the same contracts they got now, maybe slightly less.
     
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    lol at $10MM next season. McCourt, the King of deferred payments, going out on his shield.
     
    irish, Nov 16, 2011
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    I don't know where to begin other than to ask how old you are? I don't mean that in a negative way but I am 63 and have a fairly good grasp on the impact of inflation on asset growth and the lack of due to inflation. Current inflation has not been that much but history has been different and I lived that history. Also current Fed policy has some inflationary drawbacks.
     
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    http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
    [QUOTE]What cost $10000 in 1972 would cost $19732.88in 1980.
    Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 1980 and 1972,
    they would cost you $10000 and $5568.07 respectively.[/QUOTE]

    Do you want to do another calculation?


    It all depends on the time period. The last decade has been one of cheap money by Fed policy but history has show different rates of inflation. You can try different 8 year periods yourself and see how much of a difference exists over the last 60 years.
     
    TuborgP, Nov 16, 2011
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    ^ hard to predict given the current economic status, but I generally agree.
     
    irish, Nov 16, 2011
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    Fair enough, my point is that look at player contracts in 8 year periods, there aren't huge jumps or drops, 35 million, if that's what it is in 2017-2019, is still gonna be massive.
     
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    Love it
     
    THINKBLUE, Nov 16, 2011
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    Yeah, I mean, I'd take it!
    [​IMG]
     
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    Absolutely true. The payout may be more than 8 years and it wouldn't surprise me if it were for 10 years. It limits taxes and give Kemp a income source when his playing time under this contract is done. When you factor in tax savings v inflation as you indicate he could come out ahead.
     
    TuborgP, Nov 16, 2011
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