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  1. Dodgers99

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    I think he could do fine on an AL team assuming he can adjust to the DH role.
     
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    If he goes to the AL, I could see him putting up big numbers again. Thing is, his options are thin in that respect. Teams that can afford him like the Yanks (the whole roster), RSox(Ortiz, Hanley), Jays(Edwing), Angels(Pujols), Mariners(Cruz), Rangers(Fielder) and Tigers(Victor & Miggy) are pretty well set at DH for now and the future. Orioles and WSox stand out as his best opportunities as they are teams with payrolls that can afford him and have a need for him. Only way any of the others teams left get him is if the Padres eat a TON of that contract, which is not likely and even some of those teams left are pretty set (A's, Astros, Twins, Royals). SD may be stuck with him for another year.
     
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    Not even surprised. I thought Kemp would be headed to the AL soon after landing in SD
     
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    • Dodgers co-owner Todd Boehly says his team’s payroll will drop from its $300MM threshold in 2015 to much closer to the $200MM level, Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reports. The vast Dodger payrolls of the first few years under the Guggenheim group’s ownership were meant to ensure the team could stay competitive while rebuilding the farm system, and once this young talent starts to emerge, the spending will drop. Boehly thinks “sustainable is more like the league average [payroll], plus some, or plus a lot.” As Shaikin notes, this still leaves the Dodgers with the flexibility to maintain a payroll at or near the luxury tax level every year.
     
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    That's pretty much what they have been saying from the beginning. They wanted to be competitive immediately while building the farm system.
     
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    No real surprise that they want to cut payroll and allow the young guys to contribute, but the top handful aren't ready yet on the pitching side (Urias, JDL, Holmes, Cotton, Anderson etc) and for position players, after letting Peraza and Kike fight it out for 2B, obviously Seager will play SS, the most ready position players are Barnes and Schebler (and they already have a catcher and a million LHH OFs), after that you get to guys like Verdugo and Bellinger, who have yet to take AA at-bats.

    On another note:

    Jerry CrasnickVerified account‏@jcrasnick
    #Dodgers, #Nationals and #Dbacks are among the teams interested in #Rays relievers Brad Boxberger/Jake McGee.
     
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    i don't mind them trying to shed payroll
    but there's a much more than fine line between being competitive and contending for a ring
    signing greinke and price [for example] would only delay their ultimate plan for a couple years and make them more than just competitive for years to come
    while i acknowledge that the playoffs are [like anything] a crapshoot, a starting three of kersh/zack/price would have any opponent shaking in their boots in any five or seven game series
    there has to be exceptions to every rule
    but if they added greinke, price and [say] o'day, you'd have to like our chances even if no other moves were made
    just my .02 cents
     
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    If they cut $100 million from the payroll in one year, that is a huge, and in my opinion, the wrong bet.

    No one can predict how much longer Kershaw's dominance will go on. Same for Price or Grienke. If you lose them or they see declines, then you have substituted one headache for a huge brain tumor.

    A huge chunk of our problems can be as close to eliminated with a 1, 2, 3 combination of Kersh, Grienke and Price. A minor BP tweak and that's really all. Yes Gonzo and Ethier and Crawford are older, but if you want a youth movement, make the commitment there. It won't be perfect, but it might just be enough.
     
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    I think we could see the on team payroll once again being in the 200+ mil range next year, but there will once again be dead money on hand. Guerrero, EA, Ethier and Crawford are probably more than likely on their ways out and it wouldn't surprise me to see them take on most of Carl, Guerrero an EA's contract while also much of Ethier's. Yes, Andre is coming off a good year, but they should look to sell high on him somewhat. As mentioned above, this is not news at all, but to look at the team now it is unlikely that they have a payroll at or under 200 in 2016. It is unlikely unless they find someone really dumb to take on a big chunk of those contracts. The franchise that offered to take on almost ALL of Josh Hamilton's contract 5-6 months ago is probably not going to slash their payroll by a third if it means that they won't be a contender next year(and that is all you really can be, favorites hasn't really worked out in the past). To think they will do things to just stay competitive in the division is wrong. They want to win just as bad as many of us want them to. A World Series trip means more butts in the seats this year and next year and the year after next, it means better sponsorship deals, it makes the land they play on even more valuable(yes, more draw at the gate means when they develop the lots, higher rents for tenants that will have better business). Simply being the 90's Braves and Bills is not going to make them happy, they want to win and I'm guessing that they will spend whatever it takes to get there.
     
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    i'm not so sure
    i think they're more concerned about their return on investment
    otherwise they would go after zack and price and not drop hints at cutting payroll
    and tbh, i wouldn't be all that surprised if they got neither... all this talk about zack being priority #1 and price #2 could just be posturing
    we'll see though
     
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    It's looking somewhat like a list of Grienke (Price), O'Day, and probably Zobrist because he can move around and no QO attached.
    All things considered I have them at about 152MM.
    If and when they shed Crawford and Ethier that space will probably be filled in by Jansen.
    Could also possibly spend a bit to shed the rest of the dead weight, but also have to take care of some guys like Turner. So yeah based on what he said there at the end of the day they're looking add 50-55MM to the payroll.
    30 for Greinke (Price), 8 for O'Day, 17 for Zobrist.
    Slight overpays for O'Day and Zobrist, but roughly market value
     
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    Agreed. Although it's very hard to tell what those guys are thinking internally because they are so good at keeping things mum.
     
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    fwiw...

    An exec of a team that's talked to the Reds says he's convinced Todd Frazier "is legitimately out there" to be traded for. Reds are targeting big-league ready young players in any package they get back.
    Jayson Stark | ESPN.com — 4 hours ago
     
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    Early 2016 Rookie of the Year candidates
    by Tony Blengino | ESPN Insider — 22 minutes ago

    Baseball awards season gets under way Monday with the announcement of the AL and NL Rookies of the Year. Carlos Correa likely will get the (narrow) nod over Francisco Lindor and Miguel Sano in the American League, and Kris Bryant would seem to be the favorite over Jung Ho Kang and Matt Duffy in the National League. What better time to break out the old crystal ball and take a look at the 2016 ROY races, a full year in advance?

    Projecting Rookies of the Year is a dicey proposition in comparison to, say, the MVP and Cy Young Awards. There are perhaps 10 names in either league that can be thrown out right now as potential MVP or Cy Young candidates in either league; there are only so many players who can be projected to rack up the 6.0 WAR or more necessary to even join the conversation. And while projecting the major award winners is largely based on talent, there is one other major consideration that affects the ROY: opportunity. Most, if not all, clubs possess high-end, upper-minors talent that has preserved its award eligibility into 2016. A small percentage of those top prospects, however, will garner the requisite MLB playing time to truly contend for the award.

    In addition, there are two other sizable populations of young players that will not win the 2016 ROYs. First, there are those who barely exhausted their award eligibility in 2015. This group includes Byron Buxton, Dalton Pompey, Greg Bird, Michael Conforto and Dilson Herrera, to name just a few. There's a bunch more who weren't full-timers until the second half of 2015, if at all, but their rookie eligibility is exhausted as well. That includes Joey Gallo, Kyle Schwarber, Domingo Santana, Maikel Franco, Luis Severino, Aaron Nola and Joe Ross. Ineligible, all of them.

    So the trick is identifying the most talented prospects who have retained eligibility and who have the most opportunity for MLB playing time in 2016, either from the get-go or who stand as a clear "Plan B" should the incumbent regulars succumb to poor performance or injury.

    Where were the 2015 ROY candidates a year ago? Well, Correa, Bryant, Lindor and Sano were all blue-chippers who might have appeared in an article like this last November. Sano, Correa and Bryant all had a peak ranking of No. 1 or 2 on my annual minor league position player lists, which are based on relative production adjusted for age and minor league level, and Lindor was a four-time Top 100 guy peaking at No. 44. Then you have Kang, who came directly from the KBO league in Korea, and Duffy, who was an under-the-radar prospect who never ranked better than No. 160 on my list. He simply got a chance after Casey McGehee turned into a pumpkin, and ran with it.

    The 2016 races would appear to be a little more difficult to predict a year in advance than they might have been last year. That's particularly true in the American League. With that, let's get to the names.

    Top 2016 NL Rookie of the Year candidates
    1. Corey Seager, SS | Los Angeles Dodgers
    Highest level: MLB (27 games)


    If there's a prohibitive favorite in either league, Seager is it. He clearly fits the "blue-chip" profile, ranking as high as No. 7 (in 2014) on my annual minor league position-player ranks. Plus, the opportunity is there for him, he had a big September in the majors and he'll hit somewhere in the middle of a contending club's lineup from Day 1 next season. He'll hit for average and power that would support a move to third base but will field well enough to stay at shortstop. You know, like Correa.

    The Dodgers also have some impressive young pitching prospects, including LHP Julio Urias, my No. 1 pitching prospect in 2014 and 2015, but his innings aren't built up to major league standards just yet.​
     
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    Mariners did another deal, this time with the Rangers. Tom Wilhelmsen and James Jones for Leonys Martin and Anthony Bass... Interesting move as Martin fell out of the lineup after another poor hitting year in Texas. He covers A LOT of territory in center, but his weak stick should look even worse in Seattle. Wilhelmsen is a decent RP that should help lengthen the Rangers depth a bit, but nothing special after a really good 2014. Meh deal, could be interesting to see if Seattle looks to go for D in CF or if they are planning on bringing him off the bench.
     
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    This is nothing but Saxon taking a shot in the dark from past inclinations, but not much knowledge on the current ideals. Kasten's rules may not apply to the new FO and who knows what has happened with the whole Puig/ Greinke thing since the 2014 season where issues were had. Puig seemed to try somewhat harder this year to be less of a distraction, it was just his slump and injuries kept him in the spotlight.
     
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    Bryant unanimous winner of NL ROY
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    Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant, who proved why he belonged from the moment he was promoted on April 17, was named the unanimous winner of the Baseball Writers' Association of America National League Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year on Monday.

    Bryant, 23, became the 20th player overall and 11th in the NL to win the award by a unanimous vote. He was the only player named on all 30 ballots. Giants third baseman Matt Duffy finished second and Pirates infielder Jung Ho Kang was third.

    Bryant previewed his breakthrough by belting nine home runs in 14 Spring Training games, then kept hitting after he joined the Cubs in place of an injured Mike Olt on April 17. In 151 games, Bryant led Major League rookies with 99 RBIs, 31 doubles, 87 runs scored and wins above replacement (6.5 per the FanGraphs measure, and 6.0 per Baseball-Reference.com). He tied the Dodgers' Joc Pederson for the rookie mark with 26 home runs, and finished second to Pederson's 92 walks with 77. The only other player in Major League history to reach 26 homers, 99 RBIs, 31 doubles, 87 runs and 77 walks in his rookie season was Boston's Ted Williams in 1939.

    Bryant's 99 RBIs were the most by any NL rookie since the Nationals' Ryan Zimmerman had 110 in 2006, and they included 17 game-winning RBIs. Since the turn of the century, only two rookies reached that number: Albert Pujols (21 in 2001) and Hideki Matsui (17 in 2003).

    Geovany Soto was the last Cubs player to win top rookie honors, doing so in 2008.
     
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