That Toles deal should be interesting if that kid figures it out. I meant more immediate depth as he is supposed to be about ready for the bigs. I think we saw the true value of Kike and Schebler as nice platoon guys and bench bats, but not regulars. I'm a strong believer in the farm, but like I said in a thread a while ago, load as many bullets into that gun that you can so that you have a better chance of hitting the target.
I agree. Load'em up. I just think we have more MLB ready guys than you do. We can always use more, but I mean if Peraza can handle CF he can handle the corner and right now he's our #3 prospect on a loaded farm. Toles is also 23yrs old..not that I think he'll be ready to contribute next year ( or ever), but he does have seasoning. Add that to Schebler and Kike and we're OK. Again, could use more, but OK. 40 man depth is essential so we see no more Heiseys. But yeah, Eddy Julio's at least a couple years away anyway or at least that's the expectation. I see it as more of a loss because of these two teams that may end up getting him. I don't like that.
I have a hard time seeing the team use Bellinger in the OF when they are gonna need him at 1B and athletic 1B are all the rage now.
You could be right, but being that he saw time in CF and there's still so much time between now and when he'll be ready it's far from a done deal. Plus, this new FO loves versatility..best believe they're going to give him every chance to solidify himself as a versatile defensive player and add to his value. But I digress, there's still Verdugo, Hansen and Paroubeck in that age group.
Those guys are all still a few years away. I was very pleased with Verdugo's finish to the year. Sounds like there are a lot of people that really like him. Hansen needs to do better than he did in Ogden and Par needs to stay healthy. Man, looking at our top 30, you can pick out maybe 5 guys that didn't have positive-good years. Anderson is the only one in the top 15 where you say that their stock didn't improve. That's a good fucking year. I really hope Calhoun can continue to hit as a power threat at 2B would be a big plus. If they continue to add, the Cubans this Winter, this farm system should be loaded come spring time.
Yeah, that age group is coming along. I had just assumed for so long that Eddy Julio was coming that it's made me bitter toward the Cubans. Haha That combined with Puig and all his shit and Arruba and Guerrero's flameout...man. Here's hoping Alvarez and my man Pablo Fernandez get it back going for the Cubans.
Heyman’s Latest: Greinke, Mattingly, QOs, Gordon, Anderson, Hunter By Steve Adams | October 16, 2015 at 8:55am CDT Jon Heyman of CBS Sports kicks off Friday morning with a pair of columns — the first being a piece on Zack Greinke‘s opt-out status and the second being his weekly Inside Baseball column. Heyman writes in the first piece that Greinke will indeed opt out of the remaining three years and $71MM on his Dodgers contract, as has been widely anticipated for the better part of a year. One general manager suggested to Heyman that Greinke will receive, “at minimum,” multiple offers of $125MM over the next five seasons. That GM wagered a guess at the winning bid: $150MM over five years. Heyman notes that while many teams — the Cubs, Giants, Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, D-Backs and Rangers, among others — will be in the mix for Greinke this winter, the right-hander enjoyed 2015 with the Dodgers more than he enjoyed his first two seasons, and L.A. will attempt to bring him back. Per Heyman, Greinke didn’t mesh with Josh Beckett and Hanley Ramirez in previous years but had nothing but positive feelings about the 2015 campaign. Onto some highlights from his second column… There’s no certainty on the job status of Don Mattingly right now despite three consecutive division titles, Heyman writes. Mattingly is well-liked by the new Dodgers front office on a personal level, and the team is pleased with how he handled Andre Ethier‘s shift to a part-time role, A.J. Ellis‘ shift to a backup role in favor of Yasmani Grandal, and the emergence of Corey Seager over Jimmy Rollins late in the year. Mattingly’s people-managing skills are valued by the Dodgers, even if his in-game tactics aren’t quite as strong. Heyman notes that with the Dodgers unconvinced of Mattingly as their long-term option, they may allow him to interview with other clubs, and both the Nationals and Marlins would show interest. The Dodgers are set on making a qualifying offer to Howie Kendrick and are also planning on making a QO to Brett Anderson despite his injury history. The latter of the two drew some surprise when Heyman shared it with execs around the league, though as he points out, L.A. is in need of pitching. If Anderson accepts — again, a scenario I find unlikely given his age and strong 2015 results — he’d solidify a spot in the rotation behind Clayton Kershaw. And, I’ll point out, Anderson’s 2016 salary would then check in just $3.4MM north of the $12.4MM he earned in total after receiving a $10MM base salary and earning another $2.4MM worth of innings-based incentives this season. I'll tell you right now..if Greinke gets a 5yr deal you may wanna go ahead and purchase your David Price jerseys. Handing him 30M when he's 35yrs old and another 30M when he's 36 isn't the best idea. Might as well just give the younger Price a 6 year deal with an option after the 3rd year instead.
It's really hard to predict Greinke. He's already done a really good job of adjusting and not overthrowing every pitch like so many of these kids do now a days. 5 years for Greinke may be perfect for a team like the Dodgers that has hordes of young top end pitching prospects on the way. If we got 3 more good-great years of Greinke and 2 so-so, I think you do that. He seems to me like a guy that will age like Maddux.
I don't know how easy it's gonna be to convince Guggs that a so-so Greinke in his final 2 years is gonna be worth a combined 60 mill. To me, if you have tons of young pitching on the way just sign the younger Price to a big deal that you hope he opts out of after 3yrs like Greinke's about to do.
A big fear I have with Greinke is his elbow, it seems as if any moment now it's gonna break apart, although I guess that's true for any pitcher
Price had a lil somethin with his as well a couple years back if I remember correctly. He's been strong since then. But yeah, Greinke's little flare ups have been more recent.
Price's was last season and he saw a dip in his velocity which folks were saying that the Rays may have waited too long to trade him. Greinke's are always early in the year when he starts ramping up for the season. Even he has acknowledged it happens every year at the same time, I'm not super worried.
I give it two years before Greinke has TJS. I love what he did this year, but I'm not fully on board with signing him to a huge long-term contract. Playoff teams and WS winners usually have way more homegrown SP talent and trade deadline pickups rather than huge mega-star SPs signed to huge contracts. Again, I would lean against signing Greinke at this point, but it is close.
I said this from July, but I'd tell Greinke and Price here are your offers, we want one of you, when one accepts the other offer is rescinded. I love Greinke so much as a person and for his contributions, but Price is two years younger. However I can see it now "The Dodgers get *insert team* this year in the NLDS, who are known for crushing lefties, not a great matchup for them!"
Washington thought that way and lost because they,were afraid to use Strasburg. Tommy John said. Doesn't matter. If it's going to blow out, it will. You can't manage with that fear. It like Kemp playing to not get hurt. Made him a liability. Treating Grainkey like that would make the FO a liability.
Dodgers Notes: Grandal, Kendrick, Peralta, Mattingly, Greinke By Steve Adams | October 16, 2015 at 11:25am CDT The Dodgers figure to come up in the news quite a bit in the coming days as the team’s focus now shifts to the offseason after last night’s loss to the Mets in Game 5 of the NLDS. Earlier today, Jon Heyman already touched down on topics including Don Mattingly’s future, Zack Greinke‘s opt-out and qualifying offers for Howie Kendrick and Brett Anderson. Here’s more on the Dodgers… Yasmani Grandal will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder on Wednesday of next week, writes the Orange County Register’s Bill Plunkett. The switch-hitting catcher termed the procedure “just a cleanup” but said he looks forward to no longer dealing with pain in the joint. As Plunkett notes, Grandal played through that discomfort for two months, which resulted in a woeful seven hits over his final 104 at-bats. Also from Plunkett’s column, Kendrick says that he very much wants to return to the Dodgers in 2016, though he declined to get too far into specifics. The Dodgers “on top of [Kendrick’s] list,” the second baseman said before neglecting to elaborate any further. Heyman reported this morning that Kendrick will receive a qualifying offer from L.A. One last note from Plunkett’s piece — right-hander Joel Peralta will pitch again in 2016. The 39-year-old nearly underwent neck surgery that could have ended his career earlier in the season, but he returned for a strong final month of the season, prompting him to decide he’d like to pitch for at least another season. He’ll head winter ball to make up for some of the innings he lost. Peralta logged a 4.34 ERA with 7.5 K/9, 2.5 BB/9 and a 33.7 percent ground-ball rate in just 29 innings this year, but he allowed just two runs with 11 strikeouts and no walks over his final nine innings of the season. While Mattingly’s job security figures to be a topic of discussion after another NLDS exit, members of the clubhouse seem to be behind him, writes Zach Helfand of the L.A. Times. Hefland quotes Justin Turner, J.P. Howell andEnrique Hernandez each emphatically defending Mattingly, stating that the reason for the team’s early postseason exit stems from a lack of run-scoring, which shouldn’t be blamed on the manager. “I would play for Donnie any day of the week,” said Turner. “…I’m behind him 100 percent. I think he’s an unbelievable manager, did an unbelievable job handling everything that goes on both on and off the field with this club, and he’s got my support 100 percent.” Buster Olney and Keith Law of ESPN discussed the Dodgers in today’s podcast (audio link, with Law appearing around the 27-minute mark), specifically last night’s game (including managerial decisions on both sides) and the future of Mattingly. Both Olney and Law feel that Mattingly will be dismissed. Law opines that while Mattingly isn’t one of the game’s better tactical managers, he’s not among the worst, and much of the team’s postseason struggles must be blamed on the front office and the roster construction. Olney discusses the fact that Andrew Friedman’s strategy of building platoons and part-time roles worked in Tampa Bay with less-established players, but it’s highly difficult to make that strategy work when dealing with veteran players on expensive contracts. Also discussed is how the Dodgers should be willing to overpay to retain Greinke, with Law projecting Greinke’s style of pitching to hold up well over the life of a theoretical free agent contract.
Get well soon, YG. Need our all-star catcher back about as much as anything. Olney also said he thinks Puig is gonna get dealt.
