FEDIT POLITICS Thread

that was better than expected
and i was expecting a lot
thanks for not taking it in a fetid direction

 

Finski,

Thank you for your reply. Thank you for keeping the talking points as clear as possible. Thank you for having read my comments for I fear they're too much for some here to digest. Having read my posts provoked you to ask 'what's my point' this time since I whiz in the wheaties of both corrupt parties, which I've tried to outline. I mean no offense to you, nor to anyone seeking common ground.
Perhaps you overlooked the portion of my replies where I've been a business owning republican for 30+ years, until their more recent turn to the dark side.

By this I mean their openly giving lip service to Organized Religion zealots while displaying behaviors quite as opposite as possible to the moral ethics espoused by most mainstream O.R.'s. Trump is no more moral than any other lying criminal, although his daddy's $$$ has kept him out of jail. So far. The GOP fall into the depths of Mordor include eschewing the rights of individuals in favor solely for corporate profits, humanity be damned. Environment be damned, children be damned. I still get invited to $1000 plate or $10,000 plate GOP dinners. Once on a list forever on a list but they will never see another penny if they do not listen. They confirm zero interest in listening to anything but $$$.

Regarding the GOP-Lite Democrats, they too have sold out and it disgusts me. No one cares for anything but $$$ but the Dems are less competent at it. Let me share that HIllary was the worst among them too. Trump shook things up, for the worse, but Hillary would have been 'more of the same' which America was clearly fed up with. The Dems too never listen and fail to grasp that they cannot win the GOP corruption game.. because they are amateurs with 'some' shred of morals hidden away in their coattails. The GOP have long since shed any remnants of morals.

Finski, I've grown aged, I tolerate lies, deception and flawed morals more poorly by the hour. I care more about the shitshow "WE" are leaving our kids and grandkids who will sooner or later be forced to mop up this fetid mess. When our POTUS is documented as lying 84% of time, that's not OK with me. Why is it OK with others unless they too embrace lying as a normal course of living? So I call them out when parroting BS. Claiming Clinton as 'causing the ruin of the Tutsi's or Obama not solving the Middle East quagmire of a millennia of hatred is wildly off point and far from what I've explained.

Indeed I voted for Obama, twice. He was far smarter than either opposing candidate, esteemed war hero McCain or corrupt hedge fund looter Romney. I thought after the patent idiocy of Dubya that we needed a smarter POTUS. Of course it turned out that he wasn't smart enough to see a better path to solving Dubya's corrupt Wall St / US Treasury global ripoff. Too bad, he tried. Those closet racists who still bicker about his bowing to show respect all the while extolling the (lack of) any virtues of Trump who shows no one respect baffles me. Disrespectful blowhards have no place in the Oval office. Who thinks they do? Racists? Bigots? Make America Great Again is what will need to happen once he's removed from this office. No other president in my lifetime, including crooked Nixon, has fomented racial hatred and bigotry at the scale of Trump. I prefer Kennedy's platforms, which both parties have long forgotten. Why is everyone so quick to call the Affordable Care Act a failure and in the same breath ignorant that it was the GOP / Big Insurance that demanded the removal of the Single Payer option. OK kill the best working part of the Act and then blame the other guys when it only works fair. Still 20M+ people got healthcare where they could not under previous GOP administrations. What gives? How is that bad? GOP hypocrisy talking out both sides of their mouths yet again.

My right leaning stances still includes full support of a border barrier for who doesn't close their front door at night? How am I wrong asking us to adhere to the pledge on the Statue of Liberty? Today we've given ALL control to mega corporations, giving Money the same rights as a citizen. That's wrong. You're not arguing that point or did you miss it? Today nearly everyone in DC is corrupt due to groveling for lobbyist $$$. Meanwhile anyone who does show integrity is assailed and called bully names. When did bullying become acceptable to a moral man? Do they teach that in 'your' church? My point is ethics and morals are not only lost but being legislated away. "Conservatives" are so far from conservative it's shameful. Today's "Conservatives" are hateful, backwards oppressors of all they can find to oppress. Why should old white men tell all women that they have less rights? Says who? Just because some collection of mumbled fables tells them to? So Sharia law is to follow? What happened to the separation of church and state? And why do modern GOP lovers think that's OK? Do none look in a mirror?

Sharing the Alex Cole tweet was an attempt to share mirth. True, we agree that Point #3 has no support... yet. But that wasn't the point, merely a single anecdote among a landslide of compelling evidence. I do not know Alex Cole nor his background, I merely related to his tweet and thus shared it. Agreed that I knew / should have known that it would provoke debate / outrage within the DSP echo chamber. OK, I'm Irish and have been known to poke sticks in eyes before when it appeared warranted.

 

you sound like pencil neck

 

Calls the ACA a fiscal disaster but doesn’t acknowledge the GOP tax sham that ballooned our deficit and widened the wealth gap. Says the ACA failed to save a single life when it provided millions of citizens with healthcare that they normally would not have had. Credits Trump with the strong economy when it is really Obama’s economy.

Everything you said Cap was correct. But it is obvious Finski and TB will disregard everything as long as a party’s views aligns with their religious views. They don’t care that the party is morally bankrupt. They don’t care about the environment, education, social issues, the economy etc. They vote for the party that is against abortion and gay marriage and the party that reinforces white supremacy. Those 3 things supersede anything else. It’s as simple as that.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Obama's strong economy?

If you're going to criticize others for their viewpoints, at least get the facts straight before you make irresponsible comments. Obama didn't do shit for Social Security or Medicare, he only used them as bullet points to get into office. Once elected, he gave up on reforming either and then stopped talking about both entirely. You know, just like his predecessors Clinton and Bush, the latter whom he criticized for the exact same thing before getting into office. A little hypocritical no? What about his failure to strengthen relations with China, who since did so with neighboring countries? Or what of his inability and naivete to recognize the strength of the Islamic State?

But back to the economy -- given all this plus Russia’s growing cyber threat, are you honestly trying to say Obama made our nation is a safer place after he took over?

 

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never heard that one before or at least in the last five minutes
obama doubled the deficit on his own
and morally bankrupt? yes they are but apparently you think dems hold a moral high ground when they are equally pandering millionaires and hypocrites
i was pro choice all my life but liberals are celebrating third trimester abortions...and no heroic acts to save a life that survives an abortion
thats some evil shit right there but not morally bankrupt in your world?
could care less about gay marriage like probably every other conservative voice here
and white supremacy yeah i'd say more but ill be late for my kkk meeting wtf kind of nonsense is that?
common sense should supersede everything, not that tripe you just stated

 

You guys should recognize when two disparate thought parties attempt to locate something akin to middle ground.
I once again Thank @Finski for his perspectives and did my very best to rationally outline where my thoughts differ.
In fact I'd wager that our thoughts differ a bit less than a week ago. Coming together, even if we do not reach the middle is still a great thing.
And then I read this..

What d'fuq dude? Rapid shallow insults? Rather Trumpian of you, don't you agree? Trying to hurt my feelings? LOL. As if meatheads have provided any answers? Hell yes I'll side with the pencil necks over the most other phenotypes. You should too.
Followed by..

Did you think you were advancing ground? Did you think you're assisting 'my' cause in explaining the dysfunctional world we live in and how our gubberment is currently owned by corporations? Nah just poke these guys in the eye because it looked like a fine chance to do so?? WTF already? Try contributing in a harmonious manner and your thoughts will gain more traction. Otherwise get comfy being shunned as another extremist because the Far Left is nearly as bat shit loony as the Far Right.

 

your diatribe sounded almost verbatim what schiffty said to the other senators calling for his resignation from the intelligence committee
its ok i'm sure it sent chills down your spine to see his big eyes flare and the flotsam spill from his pie hole

 

Secular Humanism is a religion, too.

 

You're a smart guy, you must have taken a Stats class like me and thus I'd inquire why your stats prof didn't teach you that "ultimately statistics tell whatever story the statistician wants them to". So at least we're now clear about the story you wish were true.

Might I humbly offer from more verifiable sources.. Wikipedia...


Note how the vast majority of Americans incurred the 2008 banking theft. Still not close to back to where they were 12 years ago.

Or

Where did all the money go? It has become extremely highly concentrated. This is OK if you're a DuPont, Rockefeller, Astor, Mellon or Trump
Not so good for the rest of us.
Or perhaps you prefer this one


While these are at least as enlightening as your AEI stats they don't quite support the same conclusion do they?
How about "The gap between the top 10% and the middle class is over 1,000%; that increases another 1,000% for the top 1%"

 

Name calling again are we? Adam Schiff has been a proponent of ethics, open disclosure and following the rule of law and has therefore has thus been called all sorts of names by open liar Trump... and Trumpette's it seems.

Asking a lying bully to tell the truth incites him to lie further, and we're seeing that there is no limit to Trump's willingness to double down with whatever fraudulent thought crosses his pea brain next

 

Nice tangent... LOL

The lack of religion does not make it a religion but nice try
Going to call science a religion next? You might get me there...

 

@rube you have so many good thoughts muddled up with you're own brand of ... mischief... that I'm going to pass on commenting for a bit to try keep seeking middle ground on getting folks to realize that DC is corporate owned and thus not a friend of anyone but the ultra wealthy... and they don't post on DSP like their slavish minions do

 

and pocahontas is a legit threat for POTUS remember lol
he said he had seen absolute evidence of collusion as the head of the intel committee
he produced nothing and continues to lie not to mention leak everything he can
speaks volumes that he's someone you hold in esteem
yeah he follows the rule of law and has indisputable integrity lol
he's a proponent of ethics while using his power as a weapon what a joke