NEWS/RUMORS/AROUND MLB Thread (Oct 2016 - Feb 2017)

So what you're basically saying is we should be talking about Brian Dozier instead..

 

Lmao Best post of the holiday season for sure

 

Of course it's the hipocrasy double standard...then we are not talking about doing roids, in reality, are we...we are talking about being able to perform after you get caught and serve your suspension in reality, right? Which are very different things.
Which makes using that as a point against one player real bullshit.
The same one as signing Kenley and not you?
Yeah sure...great example.
Unforgettable...for some I guess.
Lol.

 

Gotta find some way to amuse one's self while trying to escape the nagging wife n kids, up in the kitchen...........

 

Just in from the much trusted, well known journalist Chris Camello!

Sources: #Dodgers and #Twins have been talking a lot in recent days about a Dozier trade. No deal imminent, but talks are intensifying

I'm also hearing if a trade is made Jose De Leon would be the central figure in the trade. Other parts are unknown #Dodgers

 

We are talking about being able to perform after you get caught doing steroids. Exactly. Steroids is simply a factor used when projecting how the players will perform in the future, the same as age or injury might be used for projections. Being honest, I don't get how hypocrisy or an unwarranted double-standard comes into play here, unless someone is condemning Dee as a cheat for using steroids and not condemning others like Yaz or Braun. As far as I can tell, those who like Braun would extend the same courtesy to Dee if they liked his game. Then there's a whole other discussion on whether or not Dee is good because of his speed - we've seen the discussion before with Juan Pierre, it went back and forth for years, and in the end Juan Pierre was (offensively at least) clearly better than Dee.

 

That would be ironic... coming here to escape the nagging

 

I don't like roiders and I wish that MLB was harder on them. With that said, once a guy has been caught, pays the allotted price for his crime and comes back, it says a lot from his play whether or not the steroids were a big influence. Braun has been mentioned, before getting caught he was a top 5 player in the league. After getting caught and coming back, his play on the field probably puts him in a top 25-30 in the league, which is still valuable and when he came back from the roids was immediately still above average. He is also now getting to an age where regression does set in so his numbers should be expected to tail off going forward. He is still valuable and fits a big need for us and I would like him on the team, but not at nearly the price the Brewers are asking for him.
Gordon on the other hand, had a great first half with the Dodgers, then was beyond terrible in the second half which put him for a full season as roughly above average. The next year he moves into a huge park that does help his game style, he also then has a complete season start to finish and a 40 point bump in slugging for the whole season. The noted drop off doesn't happen and for the first time in his life, keeps the weight on. Then during the subsequent year, gets off to a slow start after getting popped for steroids and arguing his case, comes back later in the year to put up nearly identical terrible numbers to his terrible start to the season and ends up with below replacement level numbers across half a season.

There is a drastic difference in these two players and why some of us want one, but not the other. One is still a well above average slugger and a middle of the order bat. The other just had a really bad year and didn't show anything after coming back from a steroid suspension. Those are big time red flags for a guy who has struggled with his weight since the time the Dodgers drafted him. I really really like Dee Gordon and was extremely disappointed when he got caught, but there are serious detractors in his career arch that make some of us wary of having him fill that position right now. He would not come cheap and the chances of him put up another sub .700 OPS are pretty high.... not to mention, he doesn't help our LH problem.

It is not that we think it is ok for some guys to do roids and others not ok, it is the play afterwards that make us decide whether or not that we'd like to see them on the team.

 

Really feels like this guy is guessing

 

This is the guy who had the Dodgers feeling more and more confident about Kenley when everyone else had them feeling out of it, plus he nailed the Turner contract a day before anyone else(details and everything). He got slammed that night on twitter and stuck up for his sources who definitely came through. My line was a bit tongue in cheek, but he just made himself into someone to listen to. I doubt he breaks the Dozier stuff, more due to trades having two sides and other teams are considerably less tight lipped than ours, but he has earned my ear this offseason. Not to mention, that a Twins reporter also heard that talks were picking up this morning.

 

A lot of the talk about Dozier going for De Leon and other more minor parts is crazy to me. One of the best 2B in the game for say De Leon and none of the Urias, Bellinger, Calhoun, Verdugo, Alvarez and Buehler clan would be insane to me. I'm sure someone else from that group will have to go, but man if they don't, there will still be plenty of assets to land a pitcher.

 

I feel the cheat example is absolutely what is being used, and I did write that in my response.
If you're using roids as a factor to demean a player, then it's a factor for every player who does them.
I would think that if someone is making the difference in stats post detection/ sentence served performance, at least make it a known element, as you are now. Reads pretty shallow not to.
Of you don't , then I don't get why the hypocrisy isn't understood...it's like, " does a wild man shit in the woods"?
Or not?
And as a point of information, I never said Dee should be sought after as our 2b. But wouldn't mind...
I just don't think he sucks as much as others do. And it seems had he kept up his league leading stats after he was caught, this conversation is moot. Doing the illegal shit is fine...what is not, is if you come back weakly or sub-usage (after) them. And if you don't rake, then you were a "roider". That about right? Pretty goddam sad, imo. If that's not a double standard and/ or hypocrisy, then I don't not what is.
As I've posted previously, there is no right or wrong anymore, just if you get caught or not.
As far Juan, he did exactly as he did before he was a Dodger...horrible arm, good offense, steal like crazy, not enough walks...well established for years. Dee was a kid just coming up. It was different; and he worked hard.

 

A Dozier for JDL trade has been speculated on to death and these things rarely happen for two reasons:
1. It makes too much conventional sense for the FUCKTARDS to acknowledge and/or execute on and lacks "Cuteness".
2. Hot Stove needs content.

 

Yeah, if your family isn't merely a hallucination.................

 

Like the matrix?

 

I'm resigned to the fact that JDL will be gone in the deal. I'd include Calhoun though. JDL, Calhoun and Brock Stewart. Do you think that would be enough?

 

Calhoun just feels like a guy who is going to be traded to an AL team at some point. I'd almost rather see us trade him sooner rather than later - his value is good right now.