i don't agree. i think if the money is close he takes the chance on developing with us. especially if its a one year incentive laden contract. but if detroit goes 3/36 or something its over.
Thats the thing. Someone will go at least 2/$25M. This guy is a premium closer, and for teams like Detroit that had so many bp backend issues, he's worth it. Lets ve clear here, both sides got what they wanted last year, the Dodgers a cheap/good setup guy and he got a place where to show he was healthy. To expect Ned to go all crazy and give Wilson whatever amount of money he wants is flat insane.
yes but wilson is also flat out insane and thats why i hope we are still making sure he knows how much we want him i think if the right things are said and the money is close he stays whats 2/25 for this ownership anyway?
Yeah , but CC money and Beckett money, which at best they knew was a huge risk, is also as insane to get Gonzo as the coins they might have to pay. And I have to ask, who brings his experience and accomplishments , both season wise and post season-wise, like Wilson. We have some talent in the pen, but no way anyone can substitute equally for Wilson as the setup man for Jansen....no way. Not now anyway.And what if kenly goes down for any reason? Closer by committee seldom is successful over the long haul. It would be nice to actually get into the world series one time after the last quarter century of not, and I don't have big hope on guys like League (closer money, BTW), and Paco and Belisario, who looks like he's steadily losing it, pitching a successful eighth consistently.
you see, right there is where we get all super fans and block all business perspective from the way... I find amazing that I posted at other thread that we should go after Napoli, Nathan and Beltran and NO ONE got the sarcasm embedded... yes they have overspent some, but its one thing to take over a big contract to fill your 1B need and absorb a bad contract of a guy that can play LF and be on your lineup as a concession because you want the 1B, and another completely different to give a shit load of money for a reliever that you wont use to close (not that I believe on the closer concept, but the team does)... if something has been learned from recent years is that relieve help can come from different places... lets take a look at our own team (and I wont list all relievers, but just some of the more relevant for the discussion): guys signed for a lot of money for the bp: 1. League - how is that working out? 2. Guerrier - those were 3 fun filled years! guys signed on the cheap: 1. JP Howell - $2.85M sound like a lot of money to us, but when other LHR (Choate) were getting 3y/$7.5M, that Howell deal sound good 2. Wilson 3. Belisario - he was a minor league signing 4. Todd Coffey - meh... wasnt that bad... too bad he got injured, but was serviceable... 5. Jamey Wright 6. MacDougal Guys we developed: 1. Paco 2. Withrow 3. Jansen other than a nice 2 or 3 year deal for Howell (and even that's not 100% a lock) I dont expect any big contract for a bp arm...
I know that guy. I've eaten at his restaurant....great Dragon and Phoenix. If I knew how to do it, I would introduce you to a guy named Pedro and a few others we gave up on, or didn't persue. The whole ball of wax is a crapshoot anyway. Always was , always will be. For every one that tanked, there's one that was just so-o good for someone else. Plus , I don't care if they spend 50 billion dollars on a player. What do I give a shit? it's like chump change for them... Better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness. And the sun hasn't come out for the Dodgers in a long, long time...
the reason you re-sign wilson is simple because he is better than anyone we have in his position and better than anyone if kenley struggles or gets injured sure, money is money but wasn't long ago this team (kasten) said they would do whatever it took to win a championship
I meant Kuo as the 2 TJs example... Pedro was a moronic move that could have been seen right away... and you are right, we dont care about the money, as it is not our... but to think that they will go and spend, spend, spend whatever amount is not realistic and just sets up to disappointments...
is $25MM worth a championship to you? he's 25x better than belisario and league combined who are you going to trust with a 1-run lead in the 7th or 8th?
right, cuz the last few WS Champs have depended on expensive bullpens... again, I would LOVE to have Wilson back, but I've moved away from the idea because I like to set up an expectation that will not be achieved, and Wilson will not be playing for the Dodgers next year...
no the last few Champs have talent throughout their lineups. In EVERY position. You want to win? It doesn't happen with superstar gold gloves who hit .223. EVERY position needs to have a Stud. Money is what you make elsewhere... not by compromising whatever it takes to field the Top 9 STUDS at all positions. Whatever it takes to win. Whatever...
you're a hypocrite you have no right to criticize anyone after saying we should sign napoli, nathan and cano and btw, effective bullpens -- regardless of what the amount paid -- pay huge dividends in the postseason
dude, wasnt the sarcasm too obvious on that post??? and I agree that effective bullpens are the key, and ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE WILSON TO BE BACK, but I'm simply saying that it wont happen!!! its a dollars thing... really bro, dont kill the messenger... I'm just stating what looks to be non-too obvious for people here...
agree 100%... that's why I would like to see an upgrade over Uribe for the left side of the IF (either at 3B or SS, Hanly playing the other)... I would have loved Peralta, but that shipped has sailed... I'm even up for an upgrade over AJ, as much as we like him... he had some serious defensive problems this year and sucks at framing pitches, plus his bat was a non-factor... I'm just trying to establish that, even it we think that GG has endless pockets, they also work under certain parameters, and probably wont be able to match whatever Detroit or other closer thirsty team has to offer Wilson...
Just a reminder in this debate, Kasten wants to start paring down payroll and develop our own. Wilson will sign if ONLY HE wants to sign that's his personality. Sorry 4ev but Cano ain't under our tree, not at 300 million, GG only has to look down the 5 freeway to see an example of what happens to REALLY high paid old guys.
I dont want Cano, and I dont expect them to go after Cano (although I see it more likely than going after Wilson for example)... I was being sarcastic when I posted that... but I agree with you on the Kasten point...
