OFF-TOPIC Thread

Just a couple points of fact here and then an opinion at the end. If we're talking about banning things, lets at least have the facts correct.

1. An AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. It has cosmetic similarities so some assault rifles (M-16, M-4), but it does not have the same capabilities. Assault rifles have effectively been banned for civilian use for over 50 years.
2. The thing you want banned is a high capacity magazine. There is a difference between a clip and a magazine.
   
3. High capacity magazines are already banned in California. Didn't help very much in San Bernardino.
4. Anyone can 3-d print high capacity magazines at home. Banning them is effectively impossible.
   
5. How about home defense against multiple assailants for a non-military application? If someone lives out in the country and three tweakers that have been high on meth for three days show up looking for something to steal so they can get their next fix, I think that person is going to require a firearm that allows him multiple shots (perhaps more than 10) before he has to reload.
6. This is opinion, but you can make a reading of the second amendment that the intent is for civilians to have these kind of weapons so they can use them in a military application against a tyrannical government.

 

bill marr said something a while back
"i'm not anti-muslim, i'm anti-muslim terrorist"
and for that he got called a racist smh
even though he added that he was "all for any muslim who contributed to our society"
they key words that the critics seem to misunderstand aare "muslim" and "terrorist"
if you add "muslim" to any other term i doesn't necessarily conjour up any negative or hated
like say, muslim-american
but if you do the same with "terrorist", it does exactly the opposite
let's take the words dairy, supermarket, parade...
muslim-dairy? muslim-supermarket? muslim-beliefs?... no prob
but terrorist-dairy? terrorist-supermarket? terrorist-beliefs?... yeah, not so much

adding to what diablo said
how the fuck was this despicable piece of shit allowed to purchase a gun?
if you're a recipient of medicinal marijuana you cannot purchase a firearm
but it's okay if you're on the fbi watch list?
and the longer we treat these horrible people (again, not all muslims or just muslims) with kit gloves, the longer they will continue to wreak havoc
i'm going to put an asterisk on diablo's statement that no one wants to indefinitely ban anyone
i agree...
unless they hate america
say you hate america; gtfo, you're deported
burn a flag; get you ass kicked, and you're deported
bomb of shoot someone; fuck you, die, and your corpse is deported
too many people have worked too hard fighting for this country to let some douchebags take it all away

side note...
not once did obama or hillary use the word "muslim" when addressing the tragedy
what is everybody so afraid of?

 

I have only watched like 3 minutes of coverage about the tragedy but to me the story is more hate crime and gun rights related than islamoterrorism related.
Unless more islamist ties come out.

This fuckwad was a nutjob who hated gays.
You know how many people in this country feel thay the gays deserved this for being gay?
Tons more than cheered on 911.
Lots of old school people hate gays in a real inner phobic type of way.
They wouldnt do anything to a gay but when misfortune happens their first instinct is a little giddiness and a feeling of comeuppance.
There is a disgust for gayness that will never go away for certain people. No matter what the PC trends are.
It was once PC to be dismissive.
And not PC to be accepting.

I like depeche mode amd erasure as much as the next gay but i too think that gays would do themselves a service if they tone down the flamage for their own good.
Imo i think thats what bugs the benign homophobes the most.
I ask my uncle and he says he doesnt care what someone does behind closed doors sexually or with who.
But why does the kind of sex they have define the person they are?
The ridiculous affectations and walking around with your ass hanging out.
I get it if you are a young gay caught in the victimization trap like young urban blacks back in my day needing to fake being "hard" or thugs.
But old men who should know better out there dressed in clothes that would make a 20 dollar hooker blush give a lot of heteros the willies.
And to many others its just theater.
As in look at those silly gays lol dressed in their silly clothes talking in their silly ways.
You are free to dress how you like but if you are free you dont need to "break free".
Because obviously some people just cant handle it.
Most likely they closet cases who self hate for having dick fantasies in an islamic culture that forbids such things.
Nobody should be forbidden their gay sexuality. But the lgbt movement like the feminist movement does cause societal cancer.
Like all religions that try to force an agenda onto others.

If tomorrow a law was passed guaranteeing sundays off from many types of work so more folks that want to could attend church or spend time with their kids would you be in favor of it?
Or would you see through the bull?

 

then you need to watch more than 3 minutes
guy was on the fbi watch list for a reason
reportedly made threats on his blog/forum

 

Shit we say here would be used against us too.
Imagine if Puig turns up dead how many suspects we would have. Lol
And wasnt lennon on fbi lists?
Isnt everybody?

 

i've yet to hear anyone here claim to have ties to isis
and no one here wishes any ill will on puig, just that he'd play harder/smarter/better
i didn't like carl [the player], but i'd still be bummed if anything happened to him [personally]
lennon was on their watch list because he possessed/vocalized extreme views at that time
but the world was a different place back then, and if someone said those same things now no one would raise an eyebrow
imagine there's no country

 

I married a yoko too.
Pretty good for me.
Not so good for the band.
But they bunch of greedy bastards anyway.
Still i should probably get a life insurance.

 

Yeah.
My questions are rhetorical. You forget who you talking to for a sec?

 

Jusy wait.
The times they are a changing.

 

That's part of the problem about having a meaningful conversation about this issue...and I'm not just talking you and I here. I mean as a nation.
There's so much disinformation and confusion (both intentional and otherwise) out there in the media that it's hard to have a reasonable discussion.