The 2012/13 Offseason Thread

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  1. Dodgers99

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    Seems like a good move, just not sure their is a spot for him.

    Jansen
    League
    Belisario
    Howell
    Paco/Elbert
    Guerrier
    Guerra

    are all virtually guaranteed spots.
     
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    Don't forget Paco, Tolleson and Hawk as well. Our BP is good and deep as fuck.
     
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    Not sure Guerra's guaranteed a spot.
     
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    darenn rovell says now time warner leads for the tv deal rights.
    the Lakers thing was a nightmare I don't want to go through this shit again
     
  6. Dodgers99

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    Their is a chance it could be the same channel, because the sports are almost opposite seasons.
     
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    yeah, I'd say the last bullpen spot is up for grabs, and who knows who will stay healthy.
     
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    a few days ago from lasorda's lair...

    by Matt MuncieDodgers | Lasorda's Lair​
    January 10, 2013 6:00 pm​

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    Could Scott Hairston help the Dodgers in 2013?

    Scott Hairston is still a free agent and our Los Angeles Dodgers should act quickly to pluck him from New York. Word is that Scott is looking to either re-sign with the Mets or change dugouts and join their cross town rivals, the vaunted Yankees. Why should the Dodgers sign Scott Hairston? To compliment Andre Ethier. We know that as a complete package, Andre Ethier is a good player. What you may or not be aware of is that versus right handed pitchers, Ethier is an excellent player. Against southpaws he is a very below average hitter. Luckily for the Dodgers and for Ethier, nearly three quarters of the starters in the national league are right handed, so nearly three quarters of the time Andre Ethier is very good. That doesn’t mean that the other 25% of the time can’t be improved.​

    Here are his splits by year:​
    • 2012 versus R: .325 AVG, 16 HR, .546 SLG, .398 OBP. 59% better than an average NL hitter.
    • 2012 versus L: .222 AVG, 4 HR, .330 SLG, .276 OBP. 41% worse than average.
    • 2011 versus R: .321 AVG, 10 HR, .468 SLG, .410 OBP. 47% better than average.
    • 2011 versus L: .220 AVG, 1 HR, .305 SLG, .258 OBP. 43% worse than average.
    • 2010 versus R: .318 AVG, .20 HR, 564 SLG, .396 OBP. 59% better than average.
    • 2010 versus L: .233 AVG, 3 HR, .333 SLG, .292 OBP. 30% worse than average.

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    Andre Ethier bats against the SF Giants in 2012

    Andre Ethier is a beast versus right handed pitchers. Adversely, Andre Ethier is one of the very worst hitters in all of baseball when a lefty toes the rubber. To further exasperate the issue, the emergence of the left handed relief specialist has slowed his knack for late game heroics. Opposing managers just bring in a lefty when Ethier comes up with the game on the line – and why wouldn’t they?​

    Here is where Scott Hairston comes in. Let’s take a look at his splits:​
    • 2012 versus L: .286, 11 HR, .550 SLG, .317 OBP. 35% better than average.
    • Career versus L: .276 AVG, 39 HR, .500 SLG, .325 OBP. 19% better than average.
    I won’t include his statistics for all seasons nor his splits versus right handers since the point here is to bring him in as a platoon partner. And in fairness, as recently as 2010 Hairston showed a reverse split. Rumors have it that he’s looking for a two year deal, and if two-years and 6 million will do the trick the Dodgers should jump on it. Using their career numbers, if we use Andre 75% of the time and Hairston 25% of the time, the total stat line will look something like: .310, .525 SLG, .365 OBP.​

    This duo should combine for 25 – 30 HR and rank about 40% better than the average NL hitter. This makes for a top 10 outfielder in all of baseball. Certainly not on the level of a Braun or a Trout, but think Matt Holliday circa 2012 (unfortunately not the 2007 Holliday). Matt Holliday was the fifth most valuable outfielder in all of baseball last year according to wRC+. Now this is just back-of-napkin math, but it’s significant. It also takes away the oppositions ability to use a lefty specialist as long as Hairston is on the bench.​

    So join the grass roots movement today. Sign Scott Hairston – the only viable lefty-masher left on the market.​


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    The Shredder had Jansen at the 7th best reliever in baseball and Mitch Williams of course shitted all over it because of saves.
     
  12. irish

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    mlb channel did top 10 starters last night
    greinke #4, kershaw #2
    verlander was #1
     
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    Who was #3? Price?
     
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    i think so
    others in the top 10 i recall... hamels, lee, felix, weaver...
    vogelschlong may have been in there too
     
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    Greinke at #4?! Wow... I hope they are right because that would be sweet!
     
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    You're sweet.
     
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    Plaschke whines...

    BILL PLASCHKE
    Dodgers should not be leaving Don Mattingly in limbo
    Manager says his request for the team to pick up an option year in his contract beyond this season was turned down, so his job could be in jeopardy if the club with the $200-million payroll struggles.

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    Manager Don Mattingly tries to catch a foul ball during a game last season at Dodger Stadium (AP)

    By Bill Plaschke
    January 19, 2013, 4:00 p.m.

    On the third Saturday in January, the thermostats in the quaint river city of Evansville, Ind., read 53 degrees. But in the winter home of Don Mattingly, the temperature was the same as it has been throughout the off-season, that being quietly boiling.

    The Dodgers manager's most compelling experience in the last six months did not involve the hours of front-office negotiations that eventually handed him the most expensive team in baseball history, but the 30 seconds in which he was told he was not yet assured of managing them beyond this season.

    Last fall, Mattingly politely asked the club to exercise its one-year option before this final year of his contract. The Dodgers politely refused. He will thus begin the summer as a lame duck, except nothing about Donnie Baseball is ever lame, so let's just say he will be paddling upstream in a situation that could get absolutely daffy.

    "It was a 30-second conversation about the option, they said that wasn't the plan for me or my coaches, it was a moot point, and I'm fine with that," Mattingly said in a phone interview. "But you would have liked for them to pick up the extensions so the players could be shown confidence. You never want it to be like, after a couple of bad games, people are saying, 'Oh, are they gonna change managers now?"

    A couple of bad games? Mattingly's leash might not be that long. With a projected opening-day payroll of more than $200 million, twice as much as most other teams, the Dodgers will carry the highest expectations in the game. Virtually all of that weight will descend upon the manager, whose strong clubhouse leadership amid the off-field chaos of his first two seasons has nonetheless failed to get them into the playoffs.

    If this year's Dodgers team of Kemp and Kershaw and Gonzalez and Crawford and Greinke doesn't rise up, somebody is taking a fall. By not picking up his option, the Dodgers are making it official it's going to be Mattingly.

    Is that fair? Even Mattingly acknowledges it is, saying, "If I don't get my guys to play well, it's on me, it's my fault."

    But is it smart? In a clubhouse filled with rich and entitled athletes who will lose nothing by pointing fingers and making excuses, maybe not so much.

    You're willing to make a six-year commitment worth $62 million for a pitcher — Hyun-Jin Ryu — that General Manager Ned Colletti has never seen in person, yet you won't stabilize the clubhouse with a one-year commitment that could force you to eat around a million bucks in manager's money? Isn't that stepping over common sense to get to extravagance? This team's narrative should be based on Kemp's swing or Crawford's speed or Kershaw's curve, not Mattingly's job.

    "I've played many years on a one-year contract, so I'm good, but the one area you have to deal with is the questions you're asking me now," Mattingly said. "That's a potential distraction for my club. That becomes part of the story line. My job is to cut out all the noise for these guys. That noise can get us away from playing our best baseball."

    Colletti, who was smartly given a multiyear extension in the fall, says he's not hearing any noise.

    "There shouldn't be anything read into that, it shouldn't be an issue," he said of the failure to pick up the option. Mattingly "knows how close we are, he knows how we feel about it, and it will be addressed at some point, I just can't tell you when."

    Colletti added that "We're in a good place, we get along, we respect each other, it will all get worked out."

    A good place, perhaps, but with no security for the dugout boss it will be an increasingly uncomfortable place. Mattingly isn't only on baseball's warmest seat, but he is also facing one of its bumpiest rides.

    "We're gonna be the bad guys, we're going to come into every stadium as the bad guy," Mattingly said. "If we win, we're supposed to play good. If we lose, we're a bunch of spoiled guys, everyone playing the blame game."

    Mattingly said he's not going to run from this perception, or the idea that with Dodgers owners wanting quick return on their investment, every game could be his last.

    "I won't manage scared, and I don't want my players playing scared," he said. "You can fight the perception or say that's the way it's going to be boys, accept it, don't listen to the noise, just go out there every night and attack."

    Even off the field, Mattingly wants to act as if he is going to manage the Dodgers forever. He is flying to town this week to be host of his first local charity function, Thursday night at the Sports Museum of Los Angeles. Typical of Mattingly's style, it won't be a gala dinner, but a comedy cocktail party hosted by George Lopez. Mattingly's charity is just as unadorned, a foundation that essentially buys baseball gear for needy kids.

    "I did a clinic out here with some inner-city coaches, and they said their biggest issue was that they don't have any gloves for the kids, and I thought that was crazy," he said. "Baseball is a game of pitch and catch, and you can't catch without a glove. I think about all the lessons in life I learned through baseball, I want kids to have that same chance."

    You can buy tickets on Dodgers.com. You can watch Mattingly learn even more of those lessons of life this season in a Dodgers dugout that will be sweltering. He says he only hopes his players have spent the winter watching another highly touted Los Angeles team struggle.

    "Did we learn from the Lakers so far? That's a good lesson for us," he said. "They put a super team together, and so far it hasn't worked."

    A super team that, incidentally, fired its coach after five games.

    "Let's learn that lesson and don't do that," Mattingly said, and he may have been laughing, but it was hard to tell.


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    plaschke is such a rambling buffoon
    did he not hear what he wrote when mattingly said that if he didn't get his guys to play well it was on him and his fault?
    he also failed to mention that revered dodger hof manager walter alston served 23 years on, that's right, 23 straight one-year contracts
    and he did pretty well -- 7 nl pennants and 4 ws titles
    sorry man, it comes with the territory
    the new owners have invested too much time and (especially) money to just hand dbb an extension
    sorry bubba, you're going to have to earn this one
    and if you can't win with this team... then you can't win
     
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    But of course DBB should have his job on the line this season. They will either play for him or wimp out like a bunch of assclowns like they did in FLA and BOS. Way too much on the line here.
     
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    Below is the Dodgers' 40 man.

    Los Angeles Dodgers 40-man Roster
    # Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
    Steve Ames R-R 6'1" 205 Mar 15, 1988
    61 Josh Beckett R-R 6'5" 225 May 15, 1980
    51 Ronald Belisario R-R 6'3" 245 Dec 31, 1982
    58 Chad Billingsley R-R 6'1" 240 Jul 29, 1984
    35 Chris Capuano L-L 6'3" 215 Aug 19, 1978
    57 Scott Elbert L-L 6'2" 225 Aug 13, 1985
    59 Stephen Fife R-R 6'3" 220 Oct 4, 1986
    21 Zack Greinke R-R 6'2" 200 Oct 21, 1983
    54 Javy Guerra R-R 6'1" 200 Oct 31, 1985
    55 Matt Guerrier R-R 6'3" 195 Aug 2, 1978
    44 Aaron Harang R-R 6'7" 260 May 9, 1978
    J.P. Howell L-L 6'0" 190 Apr 25, 1983
    74 Kenley Jansen S-R 6'5" 260 Sep 30, 1987
    22 Clayton Kershaw L-L 6'3" 220 Mar 19, 1988
    31 Brandon League R-R 6'2" 210 Mar 16, 1983
    29 Ted Lilly L-L 6'0" 190 Jan 4, 1976
    Matt Magill R-R 6'3" 190 Nov 10, 1989
    75 Paco Rodriguez L-L 6'3" 215 Apr 16, 1991
    99 Hyun-Jin Ryu R-L 6'2" 215 Mar 25, 1987
    38 Shawn Tolleson R-R 6'2" 220 Jan 19, 1988
    46 Josh Wall R-R 6'6" 220 Jan 21, 1987
    68 Chris Withrow R-R 6'4" 220 Apr 1, 1989

    # Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
    17 A.J. Ellis R-R 6'3" 215 Apr 9, 1981
    52 Tim Federowicz R-R 5'10" 215 Aug 5, 1987

    # Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    47 Luis Cruz R-R 6'2" 220 Feb 10, 1984
    14 Mark Ellis R-R 5'10" 190 Jun 6, 1977
    23 Adrian Gonzalez L-L 6'2" 225 May 8, 1982
    9 Dee Gordon L-R 5'11" 160 Apr 22, 1988
    6 Jerry Hairston R-R 5'10" 195 May 29, 1976
    7 Nick Punto S-R 5'9" 190 Nov 8, 1977
    13 Hanley Ramirez R-R 6'2" 230 Dec 23, 1983
    Skip Schumaker L-R 5'10" 195 Feb 3, 1980
    Justin Sellers R-R 5'10" 155 Feb 1, 1986
    5 Juan Uribe R-R 6'0" 240 Mar 22, 1979


    # Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    49 Alex Castellanos R-R 5'11" 195 Aug 4, 1986
    Carl Crawford L-L 6'2" 215 Aug 5, 1981
    16 Andre Ethier L-L 6'2" 205 Apr 10, 1982
    37 Elian Herrera S-R 5'10" 190 Feb 1, 1985
    27 Matt Kemp R-R 6'4" 225 Sep 23, 1984
    Yasiel Puig R-R 6'3" 215 Dec 7, 1990

    The bolded group is already at 25. We still need a backup at 1st and CF. It seems apparent that Uribe MUST be cut and we MUST trade at least one starter and possibly two RPs. We just signed Moylan to a minor league deal with an invite. I could see him up quickly should the wheels on the wagon begin to show signs of wear.
     
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