BREAKING NEWS Yogi Berra passes away

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  1. carolinabluedodger

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    In his (my) era, this was actually a lot more common. In the 50's and 60's, a player like Adam Dunn would not have lasted long, striking out about 32% of his at bats. Back then, if you struck out 100 or more times in a season, you "couldn't hit".
     
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    Absolutely...and RBIs were gold. I guess changing what the Triple Crown criteria is on the near horizon...it should be changed if those elements ( BA, RBI, HR) are not tops in achievements for a ballplayer any longer.
    I still can't see, for the life of me, how RBIs are not as important as they ever were. Getting on base is useless if someone doesn't drive them in.
    Remember what a " save" entailed then ? How many CGs there were?
     
  3. CapnTreee

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    Nobody cares about CG's today. Too bad. Modern Sabre ball stat geeks thinks this stat irrelevant

    And while OPS is a good measure, RBI's still count to win games and its all about winning the games isn't it?
     
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    I understand your love for the RBI, ...BUT...it's a stat of opportunity for the most part. Two players can have identical BA/OPS/SLG, etc., but because of either (a)where they bat in the order or (b)who bats in front of them the number of RBI can vary greatly. Is one less skilled than the other? Or is one more fortunate than the other? Yes, some players are more successful in high leverage situations...but if all things are equal then those two factors I gave above will greatly influence RBI production.
     
  5. CapnTreee

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    I agree with you completely. My point was, to use your words, "Yes, some players are more successful in high leverage situations" and certainly there is a significant amount of opportunism in play. More RBI's, in general, means a more clutch productive hitter.

    This case was illustrated a couple of years ago when talking about Mike Piazza being HoF material let alone the greatest catcher ever. HoF maybe but while he enjoyed a wonder .300 career avg he also got a lot of 8th inning banjo singles that never produced squat. My replied example was Johnny Bench who might have a .270 career avg but was one of the more clutch hitters ever. 45 HR's is one thing but Bench had that knack for getting a hit, single double whatever, when you most needed him to do so. And he has the Rings to prove it. Piazza not so much.

    Today's loose equivalents? Maybe freakin Goldsmith and damned McCutcheon both of whom hurt you when it matters most.
     
  6. CapnTreee

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    I tell you that if we face the Pirates in the postseason I'd IBB McCutcheon for the series.

    I'd rather he be on base than smacking timely doubles driving in RBI's.
     
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    Ok, let me rephrase that..."SOME players are more successful in high leverage situations". Matt Kemp is not SOME players. His high RBI total is more from opportunity and less from high leverage success. I'll give you Johnny Bench (although he was SURROUNDED by phenomenal teammates) over Piazza, but Kemp doesn't belong in that circle. And remember Bench was quite an accomplished defender where as Kemp is ...well, shit.
     
  8. CapnTreee

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    We agree that Kemp is shit as a defender though that is off topic
    We agree that Kemp getting 100 RBI's is at least partially because of his being fortuitous in being presented with an amply supply of RISP situations.

    And we agree that Kemp IS NOT a player one would ever describe as clutch.
    Slacker? OK Malcontent? Sure. Lazy? You bet. Entitled? That too.

    And despite all that he leads the Padres with 99 RBI's.. good for him

    No I don't want him back but I'll spot the man his props when due
     
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    If the great Mike Trout finishes first or second this year -- and it would be a travesty if he doesn’t -- he would accomplish something incredible: He’d finish in the top two in four consecutive MVP elections. Only one AL position player has ever done that, you know. And it’s not Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig or Miggy. It’s the one, the only Lawrence Peter (Yogi) Berra. Well, I know this race isn’t over until it’s over. But Mike Trout is about to keep him company. And you can’t beat that for entertainment.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/jayson-star...iggy-mania-trout-and-yogi-and-more-milestones
     

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