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  1. Bluezoo

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    poetically perfect :topscore:
     
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    Yeah I mean just move ahead with Norris in the pen instead of signing Joba
    Norris' stuff looks pretty good [no homo], the cutter especially
    Norris in, Hatcher out
     
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    Well right now there are tooooo many IF's. So for now I would make a claim on Joba, it won't cost a ton, maybe a change in scenery will give him the boost he needs. I duno, it just kills me every time I see hatcher come poppin out of that bullie.
     
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    Cannot stand Baez, but he's better than Hatcher and really it's not even close.
    I'm hoping Julio is called back as a reliever at some point and that maybe Norris transitions to the pen when guys are healthy.
    Julio and Norris in, Hatcher and Baez out.
    Some spot performances in a tight race in September and maybe even October would go along way to prepping Julio for perhaps a permanent jump next season
     
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    from some giants blogger
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    The Dodgers have wasted a lot of money, and it might be working
    by Grant Brisbee | McCovey Chronicles — 31 minutes ago

    The Dodgers have tossed millions and millions and millions of dollars around to high-risk, high-reward players. It took a bit, but some of the rewards are trickling in.

    Since the start of 2014, the Los Angeles Dodgers have given a combined $83 million to Alex Guerrero, Erisbel Arruebarrena, and Yaisel Sierra. The first two are out of the organization, and Sierra was outrighted off the 40-man roster after three months in the minors. All three were available at one point to any team that wanted to claim them and pay their salary. All 29 teams declined.

    Again, that’s $83 million flushed down the toilet in 28 months. That’s more than the entire 2016 payroll of three teams. While it’s possible Sierra will turn his slow start around, it sure looks like the Dodgers failed miserably with their big-money speculation.

    Shift to the Dodgers’ biggest problem over their last three division-winning seasons: their inability to build a trustworthy rotation behind the aces at the top. In each of the last three postseasons, the Dodgers have started Clayton Kershaw on short rest. That’s a) because he’s a fire-breathing demigod and b) because they were absolutely unconvinced they had anyone else who could compare with Kershaw at 80 percent.

    It was Kershaw and Greinke and pray for ... other ... chances ... to, uh ... start Kershaw and Greinke. That was often because of ill-timed injuries, but it was still noticeable every October. Now it’s just Kershaw and The New Dodgers Jug Band behind him, with rotating members whose names you might or might not recognize. They don't even have a #2 they can trust.

    Put it this way: Since the start of the 2015 season, the Dodgers have used 23 different starting pitchers. That’s the most in baseball over that same stretch. Here’s a list if you don’t believe me:

    Clayton Kershaw
    Zack Greinke
    Mike Bolsinger
    Brett Anderson
    Alex Wood
    Scott Kazmir
    Kenta Maeda
    Yimi Garcia
    Juan Nicasio
    Julio Urias
    Carlos Frias
    Brandon McCarthy
    Ross Stripling
    Mat Latos
    Ian Thomas
    Bud Norris
    Scott Baker
    Brock Stewart
    Brandon Beachy
    David Huff
    Joe Wieland
    Nick Tepesch
    Zach Lee​

    It’s not like they were all random stopgaps, either. A lot of them cost substantial money, right down to pitchers like Beachy, who was paid $2.75 million for two poor starts last year.

    Now back to that $83 million spent just on the international flops. It ... could have helped. It could have helped acquire Cole Hamels. It could have been put toward starting pitcher to replace Zack Greinke, or Jon Lester last year, or, heck, right over the top to bring Greinke back. It went to three international players who couldn’t stay on a 40-man roster for a second season, if they even made it that far.

    And that’s the story of how the Dodgers’ scattershot approach to roster-building was generous with the risks and stingy with the rewards. It’s a cautionary tale for everybody.

    Except, hold on, what’s this?

    That ... that seems like a rotation with depth. And while that comes against the Brewers and a Rockies team away from Coors, it has to be reassuring for the Dodgers that they didn’t completely foam up and spill over the sides when they were asked to carry the Kershaw burden.

    So while it’s fair and relevant to condemn the Dodgers for wasting money that would pay for the 25-man roster of another team this has always been the plan. This uncertainty, this stretch where it didn’t look like anything was going to work out, it was all part of the plan. The Dodgers had two options:

    1. Give $220 million to David Price or Zack Greinke, or nine figures to someone else, like Jon Lester or Johnny Cueto, and expect that person to carry the entire load. If they get hurt or become inexplicably ineffective, the whole plan would be ruined.

    2. Spread the money around to 20 different high-risk, high-upside players and hope, hope, hope that three or four of them make them look smart.​

    The instant success of Hyun-jin Ryu and Yasiel Puig likely emboldened some of the decision makers, but they kept forging on with the plan even after those stars dimmed. Get this high-risk power arm from the international market. Get that polished arm from Japan whose injury history is scaring away the rest of the league. Get the league-average arm who faded down the stretch last year, but comes with substantial upside. Pay millions for the the excellent pitcher with a brutal injury history. They did this over and over and over again.

    And it looked like a lousy plan when everything was on fire and/or in the infirmary. But now look at the possible post-break rotation:

    • Clayton Kershaw, ostensibly healthy
    • Scott Kazmir, coming off one of his best starts and getting better after a rugged start
    • Kenta Maeda, still looking like one of the offseason’s greatest bargains
    • Brandon McCarthy, who made an absurdly delightful start in his return from the Tommy John swamps
    • Bud Norris, who is probably just okay, but look at that freaking list of 23 starting pitchers again​

    It’s a reasonable rotation. It’s almost certainly better than just Kershaw, Price, and whatever they could have scrounged up from their depth chart. The throw-it-to-the-wall strategy looked like a flop until Kazmir came around, Maeda proved himself, and McCarthy healed.

    And if some of those pitchers stumble, the Dodgers might get Ryu back for the first time in over two years, and Alex Wood should be ready in a month or so. Brett Anderson might be ready if needed by September, too.

    Which brings us to the point, the grand statement, the thesis. The Dodgers’ hoarding of high-risk/high-reward players wasn’t supposed to be a plan that worked all the time. It was supposed to be a plan that worked some of the time, but when it worked, my goodness, how it was going to work. No, Alex Guerrero didn’t slug his way into a five-win season, but Yasiel Puig has, and he might again. Anderson didn’t stay healthy enough to justify his 2016 salary, but McCarthy just might. It was about playing 12 players with a 1-in-11 chance of providing an outstanding return on their investment.

    It’s something we haven’t seen before, a Rays-type risk aversion strategy that’s supercharged with piles of gold. I call it Money-wasting Ball! When it doesn’t work, it looks like the silliest mess in professional sports. It was always a philosophy of patience, though. And if this keeps going, Dodgers fans are going to be happy that the front office is far more patient than they are.​
     
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    The win streak is great and all but that 83MM was without:

    28MM Olivera got before they gave him to ATL for Wood and Johnson
    12.5MM they gave to Miami for Hatcher and the finook
    32MM they gave to San Diego for the framer
    18MM (so far) to Mehcarthy for just 4 starts
    15.8MM to Anderson for nothing.

    162.3MM (more if I forgot anything)

    How much is Lester getting? Hamels? Cueto?
     
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    You people will never be happy lol. The Lakers are doing it right though!
     
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    The good thing about Deng is that he was the reason Kobe wanted to go to Chicago back then and decided to stay when he learned he was coming back here in the trade. Deng has already been a plus. :)

    How's that for a reach??? :D:D:D
     
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    Interesting opposite points of view...but to someone who has been here a while, reading every day in and out, and actually smh/lol for sometime over the "don't overpay" for this one or that one posts.
    I would bet that those very same people "like" that article for what it suggests could happen--ultimate success--even after throwing millions and millions everywhere.
    I guess as long as it works, then the "no way we should pay him that kind of money" crowd, doesn't really care at all, after all is said and done.
    But if there are those that really are true to not overpaying, then has what has happened OK with that economy approach they defend so often?
     
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    Roberts: “Seager is Dodgers’ best player”
    by Matthew Moreno | Dodger Blue 96 minutes ago

    As a rookie manager Dave Roberts took the controls of a Los Angeles Dodgers team that faced high expectations. Suffice to say, not much has gone right for Roberts and his club through the first three months of the season.

    That’s been both a positive and negative. Aside from the absurd amount of injuries the Dodgers’ have absorbed and some veterans coming out of the gate slowly, there have been surprise contributions from others. Or, in Corey Seager’s case, production has exceeded expectations.

    The young shortstop entered the 2016 season as a National Rookie of the Year favorite. All he’s done since is play at an MVP level.

    “Not take anything away from anybody else on the ballclub, but what he does on the offense and defensive side, yeah, he’s our best player,” Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said after Monday’s victory over the Baltimore Orioles.

    Seager went 2-for-5 with an RBI, run scored and triple. Seager’s RBI single in the fourth inning extended his hitting streak to an MLB-leading 17 games, and is the third-longest streak by a rookie in Los Angeles franchise history.

    His leadoff triple in the seventh led to the Dodgers taking a lead one batter later on Justin Turner’s sacrifice fly.

    “There’s really nothing he can’t do on a baseball field. The at-bats, late-inning production, playing a premium defensive position, hitting the ball out of the ballpark, driving runs in, taking a walk when he needs to, running the bases, he’s really continued to get better,” Roberts raved about his shortstop.

    “It’s scary to think he’s only 22 and how much he’s grown and become a very, very good Major League player at this stage in his career.” Roberts previously declared Seager as the best shortstop in the NL, along with championing him to start in the 2016 All-Star Game.

    Wise beyond his years, Seager took Roberts’ latest praise in stride while building up his teammates. “We’ve got a lot of veterans in this clubhouse that are doing a great job,” Seager said. “You can kind of just follow their coattails.”

    Seager enters play on Tuesday batting .305/.363/.540 with 20 doubles, three triples, 17 home runs and 41 RBIs. He leads the Dodgers in total hits (100), doubles, home runs, batting average, on-base percentage, slugging, wOBA (.380) and wRC+ (142), among other categories.

    While his recent stretch has garnered well-deserved attention and NL Rookie of the Month honors for June, it’s more than just an uptick in production.

    “I was talking to some of the coaches about Corey, and it doesn’t necessarily seem like any type of hitting streak or playing better than he was earlier,” he said over the weekend.

    “It’s more the fact that this is kind of who he is. He’s a guy that posts, likes to play, squares the baseball up and finds the outfield grass and sometimes hit in the stands. It’s not that he’s hot, it’s what Corey Seager is. This is what he does. I don’t really even see him as, ‘he’s hot.'”
     
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    Fuck me.

    Bluezoo is much more talented than I ever gave him credit for.
     
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    As long as they win currently and in the future, I could care less how they do it. It's not an argument of spending money or not, it's about allocating those resources to the right players.
     
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    Cost big dollars to clean the house that Ned built...
     
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    I agree with your response, as you have written it.
    However, "allocating resorces" in the context of that article, the focus is definitely not focused on the "right" players...it is focused on lots of players, whoever, that may or may not work out. Millions and millions.
    Rather, is that OK?
    Personally, I don't care if they spend billions, wtf do I care? If we win ?
    But I don't act like I'm the GM and it's my credit card a potential salary is being paid with when a player signing is a possibility...many do.
     
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    Ned didn't do a lot of that stuff.... He did sign Kemp after an MVP season and before he ran into that wall but the timing of that, the terms and the speed in which it went down was a big FU to MLB issued by McCourt when he knew he wouldn't be paying it.
     
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    Eh, im not sure it was about money. Hammels was a trade with Philly and would have required either Urias or Deleon. Cueto was coming off an underwhelming post season and has had elbow issues in the past. I can't say much about Lester, other than he has a TON of miles on him. WOW, 7 of his 10 years in the league he has 200+ innings on him. The only thing I can think of is the stat heads in the FO might be worried about injury. To me it could go either way, he is 50% injury risk, 50% workhorse. Either way, if the FO wanted to spend the cash they could have.....they just didn't. So far it has bit them in the ass.....hopefully from now until October we can get some of the sunshine on our ass!!!
     
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    Then they turned around and literally hunted for pitchers with arm, back and shoulder trouble. One of which got lucky and managed to fuck them out of almost 16MM dollars since he required no physical to sign the QO and the other who will start only his 5th game in 1 1/2 seasons next time around. I get that injuries are part of the game but there are guys who have proven durability.

    Shit, even the highly coveted draft pick they let Greinke go to get was spent on a fucking high-schooler who's already had a TJ surgery!
     
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