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  1. Bluezoo

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    All you guys who love this "Shredder" bs and swear by it...it doesn't even have Jansen in the top TEN RPs in MLB...and same for HK in the top TEN MLB 2 b....you look at theses lists and the people rated ahead of them and you realize :
    Seriously flawed.
     
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    He very much is those things, but then the D'Backs turned around and trade a couple of their top prospects and one of the their helium prospects for a bad player and now the organization is starting to talk about being tapped out at what looks like an $85 million opening day payroll. He has to be going through some regret as the D'Backs moves made them better, but I have a hard time seeing them as a contender with their current holes and he may have just thrust himself as the ace of a 3rd place team for a few years.
     
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    Good, I hope he remains so, no matter what shitbag team he signs on with. Or totally nosedives.
    It doesn't matter that no one can blame him. He's the direct enemy now, so fuck him no matter what he did with us.
     
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    It's the radio broadcast that I listen to, so they sometimes pipe in the audio from the TV channel, but it is mostly it's own material. Casey Stern has been crucifying the front office all off season and is coming off as someone that loathes the Dodgers. He was talking shit about them passing on Kendrick, then when they got him back, it wasn't, "hey, great job", it was now "well they fucked up because they got Utley." Just ignoring that if Utley is healthy, he is probably top bat in NL for the position and could also handle 3B if Turner goes down for a spell. If anyone can afford a $7 million dollar bench player, it is the Dodgers.
     
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    agreed
    it is flawed
    it also omitted seager as a top 10 ss
    although kenney and (credit where credit is due) ripken both had them in their top 10
     
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    ZG is the Trojan horse that fucked up their financial ability to do anything else of substantial impact for years to come. His signing also contributed to the "we're all in" mentality that made them throw a future star away for a middle roto pitcher. Dansby will be a star..

    Thanks Zach for being a greedy bastard and fucking with our competition.

    Oh the other great thing that doesn't get mention often is Zach destroys the nl west.

    He can tear up the gnats for us all season still while playing for another team. Win win for us actually.
     
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    i was going to say the same thing
    shelby miller is a good pitcher
    but not someone you give up top prospects for
    i could see not only zack, but pollock and goldschmidt wanting out of there sooner rather than later
     
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    Shelby is solid, but some believe that he will struggle in AZ and yeah, those prospects could get you something so much better. Shit, GM's were saying that the D'Backs totally fucked up both markets thanks to their wild overpays. While the team they are chasing put together 3 of the savviest deals of the off season. The bad player I was talking about was Segura. Granted their options weren't great at SS, but I go with Ahmed instead of dealing two guys that have long term projections of begin more valuable than Segura. The Backs offense was good enough and having an elite defensive SS would have done them some serious good.
     
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    thats because your are a materialist capitalist mouse
    but now that you are a true DSP mod our marxist idealogy will permeate you to your tail
     
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    I'm actually not completely a materialist capitalist, and I'm constantly surprised how much money becomes the deciding factor in these deals that are for such obscene amounts of money low or high. But even then I recognize that $50 million is no trivial amount of money, even for someone who figures to make $250 million lifetime if he settles for the lower deal.
     
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    Yep. He doesn't give a shit about winning and other accolades. Not that I don't like him for that, but it is what it is.
     
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    I've questioned it from the beginning. I don't understand it either.
     
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    just posted on facebook...

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    What direction does the stadium face, does anyone know?
     
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    I'll give you credit for creativity and imagination with the Trojan Horse metaphor, but to think that this signing of one of the consistently best pitchers in MLB signing with another team, our direct competition at that, is a good thing, a win/ win, is laughable at best.
    Unless I'm missing the sarcasm in it, if there is any...absolutely preposterous premise.
    LOL
    Can we expect an Achilles tendon injury maybe?
     
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    not sure if this is entirely accurate
    they're saying guerrero is owed $5MM each of the next two years
    but baseball reference has him earning $7.5MM (per year)...

    Guerrero moves further down the Dodgers' depth chart
    by Eric Stephen | True Blue LA — 9 hours ago

    LOS ANGELES -- With Howie Kendrick back with the Dodgers, most of the talk of the last week or so from the team has been about how everybody is on board with some sort of time share between second and third base. Now the question is where exactly does Alex Guerrero fit into the mix.

    Justin Turner, Kendrick, Chase Utley and Kiké Hernandez were all mentioned Saturday during FanFest at Dodger Stadium, and again on Thursday with Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman.

    "From our standpoint, between second and third base there are a significant number of plate appearances. There are between 1,300 and 1,400 plate appearances between those two spots," Friedman said. "Even when everyone's healthy there is a lot of playing time to go around."

    Kendrick, Turner, Hernandez and Utley combined for 1,293 plate appearances in 2015, but Utley wasn't acquired until mid-August, when Kendrick was sidelined with a hamstring injury.

    "All it takes is one injury; we don't know when it will happen or who it will happen to, but invariably we know it will happen over the course of a season," Friedman said. "The depth we'll have on hand is something that's really attractive to us."

    At the moment, that depth includes Guerrero, who hit .233/.261/.434 with 11 home runs in 106 games. Sixty-eight of his 230 plate appearances came as a third baseman, a position he started 18 times along with 27 starts in left field.

    Most of his production came in the first two months of the season. But he hit just .178/.197/.220 with one home run from June 4 through the end of the season, and started just five times in the field in the final 50 games of 2015.

    The Dodgers over the last two offseasons have been adept at acquiring major league depth, and most of it is usable depth at that. The extra starting pitchers can either be sent to the minors or could profile in the bullpen. Same for the position players, the bulk of which could be optioned to the minors if needed.

    But not Guerrero. His contract, which has two years and $10 million remaining, says he cannot be sent to the minors without his consent. At the moment, Guerrero seems to be the odd man out.

    The current bench, if we pencil in Turner and Kendrick as starters, includes Hernandez, Utley, catcher A.J. Ellis and outfielder Carl Crawford. Twelve pitchers is the norm these days, which means a five-man bench. It also means Guerrero has to beat Scott Van Slyke and Trayce Thompson out for the final bench spot, with the roster as currently constructed.

    Both Van Slyke and Thompson can be optioned, it is worth noting.

    But we are still two weeks away from pitchers and catchers reporting, and two months from opening day. Plenty of time for things to change.

    "We'll get into spring training and figure it out. [Guerrero] had some versatility with his ability to play the infield and outfield. Things tend to happen over the course of spring training, as we saw last year and we do most years," Friedman said on Thursday. "We'll figure it out as we get into March and look at exactly how we want to configure our roster, figuring out which pieces fit and which ones don't as well."

    Should Guerrero end up being a piece that doesn't fit as well, and should the Dodgers find a trade partner for his services, Guerrero has the right to opt out of his contract at the end of the year. So in essence his new team would get Guerrero for one year and $5 million.

    But for now the Dodgers still have Guerrero for two years. He's just a little bit further down the depth chart than yesterday.​
     
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    Casey Stern is an opinionated jack-ass, an asshat to the nth degree. The only thing more useless than listening to him is listening to him and Bowden together.
     
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    The extra money could be signing bonus as yet unpaid (He had a 10M bonus.)

    Cot's Contracts:

    Alexander Guerrero 2b
    4 years/$28M (2014-17)

    • 4 years/$28M (2014-17)
      • signed Major League contract with LA Dodgers as a free agent from Cuba (via Haiti) 10/21/13
      • $10M signing bonus
      • 14:$4M, 15:$4M, 16:$5M, 17:$5M
      • performance bonuses: $1M annually for 500-600 plate appearances
      • may not be optioned to minors without permission after 2014
      • may become Article XX(B) free agent after 2017 season
      • if traded, may become a free agent at season’s end
    • agent: Scott Boras
    • ML service: 1.031

    and judging from this spreadsheet it appears that is what it is, looks like 2.5M bonus paid each of the 4 years of the contract...

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a-yEinFNc24xoTlGAH-S_1DRsZuGtx1yZOXsBpWNuSU/pub?output=html
     
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    ah, thanks codge!
     
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