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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Apr 3, 2016.

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  1. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    1. Lie
    2. Dont lie too much.
     
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  2. CapnTreee

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    mostly don't lie in an area where they can easily prove it


    ... gotta make work for it
     
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  3. CapnTreee

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    Just watched a good movie on Showtime called Good Kill.. came out last year

    If any of you cretins are fans of our military like I am this flick showed a first person look at the life of a remote drone pilot. I don't mind watching Ethan Hawke movies and I sure don't mind watching anything that has January Jones in it.

    Fairly accurate, slightly jaded and probably all too real in it's cynical view of the BS that Langley pulls
     
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    Good start might be being honest (with yourself) about what your objective is.
     
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    Eye in the sky is good too. Sounds similar.
     
  6. LAdiablo

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    20 years later he's back

     
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  7. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    sound advice
    and it's only a falsehood if they find out... and then you're screwed
    worked in the corporate world for nearly 20 years
    worked for about 6 different companies
    always put my college info down
    they never checked it once
    haven't worked in that world in almost 15 years
    but i doubt much has changed -- but it may depend on the job field you're looking into
     
  8. CapnTreee

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    More wannabe gangsta thugs wearing ridiculous chains spouting self centered repeating lyrics about a girl that didn't think he was a "real man"?? Whatever.


    What? You still trying to be 19??

    Another 20 years without that drivel would be a good 20 years.



    Sorry hoss you know I have difficulty not calling out BS when I see it.
     
  9. CapnTreee

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    Yeah they check if your job is going to put someone in jeopardy or danger.. which most don't.


    No not much has changed that I've seen


    I've got a buddy that graduated with a 3.94 GPA... and is wholly unemployable for myriad other reasons. He hasn't held a steady job for 30 years. University level schooling only matters so much most of the time
     
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  10. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    yup
    lots of people in his position unfortunately
    they'd rather pay less skilled workers less
    than actually have someone more competent/capable do the job
    and who suffers?...
    as always the consumer
     
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    A high GPA does not a more competent/capable worker make.
    For a lot of reasons.
     
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  12. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    no
    but it often means higher aptitude, hence quicker learning and a better employee
    that said, i know several people without degrees that are exceptions to this rule
    if i opened a company today, i would hire them in a nanosecond over people who just had a degree
    but most employers don't have that option
    there's too many "proper channels" they have to go through thanks to all the liberal whining about fair hiring practices
    and a lot depends on the job
    the higher the skill, the more you want someone sharp in there
    if it's someone without schooling but has been doing the job well for a long time, i'd keep them
    but if it's entry level... sorry, the educated person will win almost every time
    for me personally, it's all about how the person interviews
     
  13. CapnTreee

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    There's truth to both camps.
    I've hired PHD's who were semi worthless (couldn't program worth a shit so I put him in a doc control position) and also seen qualified people refused jobs that were only seeking degrees. Some of those are gubberment type outfits that themselves get rewarded by Uncle Sam per degree. I.e. the department has 28 people but with 54 degrees so they get paid more and thus only want the sheepskins.

    And interviews only matter so much because some pretenders interview exceedingly well but then can't deliver.
     
  14. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    agreed
    but face to face you can see a lot
    follow their eyes, watch their posture
    and most importantly do they have good references
    and by good references i mean people i know and trust
    college or not, i'll take the word of someone i trust over what the stat sheet says
     
  15. CapnTreee

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    Yeah we agree
    It's darn hard to fake it in a face to face interview
    Which is probably why I've always rocked interviews

    References matter only a little since no one provides a bad reference
    And most are schooled that they can only say so much
    for liability reasons

    I like speaking to their previous supervisors
    and asking a single Q
    "Would you hire them again?" tends to answer a lot
     
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    helps if you know someone who will speak off the record too
    done it myself actually
    but when someone i didn't know/trust called, i forwarded them to hr
     
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    Do big tits count and a really short skirt? Not wearing undetwear like Sharon Stone?
    Not on the guys though.
     
  18. irish

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    sadly no
    i was in the ultra conservative insurance business
    kind of an oxymoron, but showing more meant they were hiding something
    or insecure
    or both
    what i liked was the hot chicks who were trying to hide their wares
    couldn't wait to see what was under all that
    not that i ever indulged [​IMG]
     
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    Okay, I worked at an investment bank and then became a corporate attorney.

    Here's the deal. In investment banking and law you need a group of people who are exceeding smart. They can crunch the numbers, create new products, research the hell out of an issue, create novel transaction models, etc. You can't be stupid in order to do this. That's why grades and what school or MBA program you attended matter.

    However, you may be a brilliant mathematician, statistician, banker, researcher or legal theorist, but if you can't schmooze and cajole, or basically be the devil in velvet, you are not going to reach the top.

    But industries like these need both. They need brain power people and the street smart people who can generate money. So you hire for need and the qualifications are different.

    You don't hire for sales by looking at PhDs. You don't hire in the technical field by looking at middle of the road students or experience.

    One thing that is pretty constant though.....secretaries or assistants that did not have the important duties of managing, scheduling, and handling important organizational issues for an executive, were usually the hottest. Those criteria were different.

    In NY, my assistant was gorgeous. She was at a club once and the owner of one of the popular strip clubs in NYC once asked if she was willing to be stripper there. Those were the days.
     
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    Didn't realize that CA has got the big weed legalization thing on the ballot next week...I don't recall reading a word about it in here...
    Whatever can that mean?
     
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