FEDIT POLITICS Thread

sounds like some people need their diversity, privilege and inclusion training

 

I mean, it's been bad before. We've had POTUS's assassinated. We had a civil war. We've had major protests before. Not to say what's happening now isn't bad, but I'd say there have definitely been other bad times.

Social media and cable news programming is the new big factor in it all. It can bring out the worst in us. I'd argue another big component leading up to all of this has been the Tea Party's take over of the Republican Party, but I know most people in here don't want to hear about it. The Republican Party has pushed more to the right, inevitably opening the door for the Democratic Party to push more to the left.

In the end, and I've said this before, I just want universal healthcare. It's done in a lot of other countries and it would be a huge step forward in improving what is, in the end, a pretty great country. I think if the universal healthcare opponents spent half the time they do telling me why it won't work, on figuring how to make it work, this would have been done 20 years ago. I've seen how the current system has affected even the small circle of people I know, in life altering ways. We can do better.

 

the Tea party?
i can't even recall the last time i've heard the term
although liberals love to point at Charlottesville like its the OKC of terrorism
yeah you have one example and a questionable one at that
witnesses said the crowd was encircling the car just like a thousand images we see daily
but for every Charlottesville there are hundreds of Portlands and Seattles w insane destructive leftists
you own anitfa and blm and every marxist organization of note
tea party lmao

 

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
This ain't no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain't got time for that now

 

So the study that the graph was pulled from is a good read: http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-co...47/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf

The composite of the 1994 chart and 2017 is a bit bullshit since the study also published a 2004 chart which is very similar looking to the 1994 chart, but with everything shifted dramatically to the left. If you overlay the 2004 chart with the 2017 chart, it looks a lot more like both parties have had the same shift.

I nerded out on the charts in the original study. Depending on the issue you can see where the shifts have happened. With government assistant and immigration, the shift is on the Democratic side. With government regulation, environment, and global warming the shift has been on the Republican side. A lot of the other issues had similar shifts or shifts with no patterns. 2008, 2012, and 2016 seemed to be the years with most shifts.

The fiscal shifts from 2008 forward coincide with the Tea Party theories. Whether inspired by a huge recession, or Democratic POTUS and Congress I’m not sure, but it’s a very real thing that the Tea Party increased their voice starting in 2008. I’ve been involved with “resistance” efforts since 2016, and they literally take the Tea Party playbook to get as big of a voice from a small number of people.

In the end, I may be off by saying the “right started it” but I feel safe in saying both sides are enabled by the other. The center has moved left, that’s a thing that has happened throughout the world the past 25 years. There are no points for being stuck in 1994. At least the US moved left with them for the first 10 years.

 

Yep. Tea Party. I’m not saying the Republican Party needs to own it necessarily, but that they have influenced the party. BLM has had a huge impact on the Democratic Party as well. And I’d say Trump has had a bigger impact on the Democratic Party than the Republican Party, if that makes sense.

 

yeah Trump has had a uuuuuge impact on the democrats since orange man bad and that's all that matters
they wanted to impeach him before he was sworn in and have spent every waking moment since then doing everything but the business of the people
i noticed you didn't mention antifa as being weaponized from the left which it clearly is
the message this year is elect a lib or the violence will continue
and the blm message ( i know you approve not sure why) seems to bring special attention to race which is such an awesome divider of people
maybe you feel you have something to apologize for i have no idea
i just feel its moving backward to constantly give rise to this type of politics
150 years ago many of my irish ancestors laid their lives down to free the slaves, pretty sure the chinese were slaves as well
think we'll see CLM? maybe FLM for filipinos or MLM for mexicans?
doubtful since those cultures have been busy moving forward instead of laying blame and listening to white liberals telling them they can't
not sure how you see a tea party measuring up to that lot
what's different about you is that you have a great sense of humor
something severely lacking in nearly every other liberal i know these days
nothing changes just like it doesn't w the libs in my family
just gets harder to understand how you support the violence or at least pretend not to notice
health care for all is one thing
group think for all is another thing altogether
i know racist

 

Holy shit...I just made a post in another thread, and wrote " remember the Alamo"...
and now I'm reading yours.
I don't know how to feel over that- what to come away with from it.
I think maybe overwhelming, decimating fear is about right.
Well..let everything happen to you...
Beauty and terror

 

To be fair, most people don’t have a sense of humor with politics. So if you discuss politics you won’t see someone’s sense of humor, and that’s probably rightfully so. There’s nothing funny about political issues for either side. What is good about this place is that most of us have known each other for 10+ years, so we know more about each other than just politics.

I didn’t mention Antifa because I don’t know much about them or there influence on the Democratic Party policy.

I don’t support violence anymore than you support police violence.

I think Trump is bad at his job, I think he’s genuinely a bad person, and he whines way too much. I could write a book on it, but I don’t want to take the time and no one really wants to read it anyway.

 

If Trump is bad at his job, I'd hate to be Obama, W Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Carter...
Nafta, Iraq war, Iran nuclear deal...

 

it's hysterical hearing doh biden say that after 51 years in office, 8 as a VP that he's the one to bring us back whatever that means
just on trade agreements alone Trump's done more than any of the last 20 presidents combined
trouble is he wants to tell you about it over and over and beat his chest
there's a reason the repubes sit and watch
they all have a seat as piggies at the public trough and like it that way

 

Kind of have to repeat it over and over since the media doesn't cover it.

Almost everything he's criticized for is the reason he won. He is the only Republican with the balls to fight back against treasonous swamp creatures.

It's funny. I can see why people think Trump is an asshole. Yet, I think he is the most transparent, sincere, accessible, and well-intentioned president of my short lifetime.

I don't believe he's the man he is portrayed to be. I don't believe he's the man he actually used to be either.

We all see what we want to I guess.

 

i actually meant sense of humor at all, like being able to laugh at say blazing saddles or dumb and dumber (one of your favs)
and just generally communicating a good mood and friendly attitude
not even close to saying all conservatives are a joy to be around but they tend to not watch as opposed to insisting on changing what people find humorous
and for sure i never try to make it personal anymore than i do w my family since that only makes life worse and i like this place as well
as far as antifa and the left go i know most of the senators refuse to even acknowledge they exist and they sure aren't agents of the right
here's a little snippet of the actions currently taking place in Portland
this is last night but its been going on for months there and in many other democratic run cities that refuse to acknowledge it
i think the Seattle mayor called it the summer of love and tell people started getting murdered
pretty serious stuff
https://www.dailywire.com/news/anti...3uPoxlAyEDj8TqnWgEXoY7i7krYuEZ7gWL70RvVaKBvCo